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  September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have it in spanish for now: .

  1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.

  please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.

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  darkspilver

  Victims of child sexual abuse are not handled judicially. However, if the body of elders believes that congregation action may be warranted in the case of a mature minor who was a willing participant in wrongdoing, two elders should call the Service Department before proceeding.
  

  The issue here seems to be the difference in the 'age of majority' (ie when a person stops being a 'minor') and the 'age of consent', which are not the same.

  It appears that generally the age for consent is lower than the age for majority.

  For example I understand that in New Zealand the 'age of consent' is 16, but the legal term 'age of majority' is 20.

  Hence the above quote to cover the situation with 17, 18 and 19-year-old 'mature minors' in New Zealand.
  

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#By_country_or_region
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  Governing Body Members Autographing Bibles

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have an online ex jw friend who pointed out to me that she stumbled upon a may 15, 1999 watchtower that had pictures of governing body members autographing bibles for people.

  i have no bound volumes or cd rom copies anymore so i can verify.

  two things came to mind, if this is true:.

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  darkspilver

  I think the interesting issue with the OP is the (rhetorical) question that the GB asked the R&F in the WT from last year..... let's look...

  
  Watchtower 15 May 1999: A Historic Visit Makes an Island Rejoice
  

  [Picture on page 8] Governing Body members sign gift Bibles for public officials

  Full page scan below (Gerrit Losch, John Barr and Lloyd Barry)
  

  
  Watchtower Study January 2016: "We Want to Go With You"
  

  [Box on page 27] Love "Does Not Behave Indecently"

  We can show Christian love by the way we treat those taking the lead in the congregation. At times, well-known representatives of the Christian congregation — perhaps circuit overseers, Bethelites, members of the Branch Committee, members of the Governing Body as well as their helpers — may attend a convention or theocratic event that we also attend. Naturally, we want to show such brothers and their wives due respect. None of us would want to imitate the attitude of Diotrephes. He refused to welcome the visiting brothers with respect. (3 John 9, 10) But could we, even unintentionally, show a lack of good manners by going to the opposite extreme? How might we do that?

  While we appreciate having an opportunity to meet and talk with visiting brothers and their wives, we would show a lack of respect if we treated such ones as celebrities. For example, would it show good manners to take candid photos of such ones—without permission—while they are eating and engaging in other activities? Would we ask them to autograph our books and Bibles? Would we push in front of others and aggressively demand that our photo be taken with them? Surely, none of these actions display true Christian love. Rather, they could show that we have missed the purpose of the visit and the hard work that such faithful ones do in our behalf. What effect could such behavior have on those attending one of our assemblies for the first time?

  
  Watchtower Simplified Study January 2016: "We Want to Go With You"
  

  [Box on page 27] Love "Does Not Behave Indecently"

  For example, would it show good manners if we take photos of themwithout their permission or when they are not aware of it, perhaps when they are eating or doing something else? Would we ask them to sign our books and Bibles? Would we push in front of others and insist that we have a photo taken with them?
  

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  New property website listing: York St.

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://oneyorkst.com.

  it's been a while since they've had a listing or a sale..

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  darkspilver

  FYI - apart from the 'parking lot' - the Eagle says that the WT has only three other properties left...
  
  
  Jehovah’s Witnesses put massive DUMBO parking lot up for sale
  

  Brooklyn Daily Eagle, Thursday, August 31, 2017

  The end approaches for Watchtower properties in Brooklyn

  The Watchtower is selling its massive parking lot at 1 York St., a prime site just north of the Brooklyn Bridge, in DUMBO. The property is the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ last site in DUMBO, though the religious organization still owns several properties in Brooklyn Heights.

  Watchtower property in Brooklyn not yet sold

  - 80 Willow St. in the Brooklyn Heights Historic District, a 3-story, 11-unit residence.

  - A 2-story carriage house 86 Willow St., in the Brooklyn Heights Historic District, with two residential units.

  - The Watchtower has listed “The Towers,” at 21 Clark St., called an “architectural gem” in the Brooklyn Heights Historic District. The 16-story building was formerly the Leverich Towers Hotel, one of Brooklyn Heights’ grand hotels dating back to 1927. The Watchtower purchased it in 1975 for $1.99 million, Finance Department records show, then remodeled it to serve as a residence and dining room.

  http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2017/8/31/jehovahs-witnesses-massive-dumbo-parking-lot-for-sale
  

  The WT website for The Towers at 21 Clark Street is: http://21clarkstreet.com
  
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  September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have it in spanish for now: .

  1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.

  please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.

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  darkspilver

  _Morpheus: Omg am i the only one who sees paragraph 13 as an end to the two witness rule?

  I don't think so - paragraph 13 of the letter references ks10 chapter 5 paragraphs 37-39, on pages 71 and 72, which deals with 'two witnesses'.
  
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  Possible Class Action Lawsuit for Mis-Handling by Jehovahs Witness Officials of Alleged Sexual Abuses

  by higgertylaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  traduction francaise disponible: http://www.higgertylaw.ca/class-action-lawsuits/jehovahs-witness-child-sexual-abuse-class-action-lawsuit/action-collective-pour-les-enfants-victimes-dabus-sexuel-au-sein-des-temoins-de-jehovah/.

  we are currently investigating a possible class action lawsuit against the watchtower bible and tract society of canada concerning alleged sexual abuse and its subsequent handling by jehovah’s witness officials.

  the watchtower bible and tract society of canada has been accused of allegedly turning a blind eye to the sexual abuse that was allegedly inflicted upon child members of the congregation.. for more information, visit our website to contact us or give us a call.

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  darkspilver

  Thanks, you may also be interested in the discussion about this from a few months back....

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6298767953231872/new-lawsuit-canada-victims-pedophilia-against-watchtower

  I note that Higgerty Law have now added a link to the 'JW Class Action Lawsuit' page from the 'Class Action Lawsuit' page here:
  

  http://www.higgertylaw.ca/class-action-lawsuits/
  
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  September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have it in spanish for now: .

  1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.

  please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.

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  darkspilver

  Gayle: any change in wt policy noted?

  It looks like three sentences have been inserted - there is another change, but it seems to be a word change

  Obvs need to wait for the English version, but in the mean-time, this is what I've spotted so far, paragraph 14 rather stands out at the bottom.....
  

  
  Paragraph 1: (from Spanish via Google Translate)
  

  Please read it in its entirety and take care to pay attention to the updated instructions in paragraphs 3, 7, 13 and 14.
  

  
  Paragraph 3: (from Spanish via Google Translate)
  

  Inserted at end: Therefore, when the victim, his parents or any other person present to the elders an accusation of this nature, they should be clearly informed about their right to file a complaint with the authorities. The elders do not criticize anyone who chooses that choice (Galatians 6: 5).
  

  
  Paragraph 7: (from Spanish via Google Translate)
  

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  Paragraph 13: (from Spanish via Google Translate)
  

  Inserted near end: Generally speaking, the elderly should be able to obtain the necessary information from the parents. In addition, it is possible that the elders already have sufficient evidence to establish the commission of the evil (chapters 5 paras 37-39).
  

  
  Paragraph 14: (from Spanish via Google Translate)
  

  Inserted at end: Although victims of sexual abuse are not prosecuted, if the body of elders considers that the congregation should take action in the case of a mature child who voluntarily participated in the commission of the wrong, two of its members should call the Department of Service before proceeding.
  
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  September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have it in spanish for now: .

  1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.

  please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.

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  darkspilver

  Thanks

  this appears to be a replacement for
  

  August 1, 2016 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse

  which in turn replaced
  

  October 1, 2012 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Child abuse

  (hat tip https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5710241391968256/_post/4664797094215680)
  
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  New property website listing: York St.

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://oneyorkst.com.

  it's been a while since they've had a listing or a sale..

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  darkspilver

  FYI this seems to be getting some media coverage now....

  
  Jehovah’s Witnesses Put Their Last Empty Lot in Brooklyn Up for Sale
  

  Brownstoner, Thursday, August 31, 2017

  The Jehovah’s Witnesses have been gradually selling off their massive Brooklyn real estate portfolio, and they’ve now put their last empty Brooklyn lot up for sale.

  The triangular shaped parking lot at the base of the Brooklyn Bridge in Dumbo has the potential to become a mixed-use building of 14 stories. Known as 1 York Street or 30 Front Street, it is for sale for an undisclosed sum — and could fetch in the neighborhood of $54 million, or about $300 per buildable square foot — if history is anything to go by.

  http://www.brownstoner.com/real-estate-market/jehovahs-witnesses-dumbo-1-york-street-30-front-street/
  

  
  Jehovah’s Witnesses list their last development site in Dumbo
  

  Curbed, Thursday, August 31, 2017

  The property at the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge could give rise to a mixed-use building

  The Jehovah’s Witnesses have listed a triangular lot near the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge, the group’s last development site in Dumbo. The property at 30 Front Street, or 1 York Street, could accommodate a 14-story mixed-use building.

  https://ny.curbed.com/2017/8/31/16232906/jehovahs-witnesses-dumbo-real-estate-30-front-street
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  More Brooklyn properties sold

  by recovering in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and the money keeps rolling in.

  http://nypost.com/2017/08/16/jehovahs-witnesses-sale-of-brooklyn-buildings-nets-millions/.

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  darkspilver

  The second sale, at 97 Columbia Heights, is slated to close shortly — for an undisclosed, but larger, sum

  FYI
  

  LA firm scoops up Jehovah’s Witnesses building for $58M
  

  The Real Deal, Thursday, August 31, 2017

  Hawkins Way Capital purchased 97-unit 97 Columbia Heights
  

  The Jehovah’s Witnesses sold off another piece of their dwindling Brooklyn real estate portfolio to Los Angeles-based real estate investor Hawkins Way Capital for $58 million.

  Hawkins bought the 12-story, 97-unit apartment building at 97 Columbia Heights, according to Leslie J. Garfield Real Estate.

  https://therealdeal.com/2017/08/31/la-firm-scoops-up-jehovahs-witnesses-building-for-58m/
  
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  The org tightens the noose on J.W.'s thinking.

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the manipulative use of language by the org in the upcoming circuit assembly talks is as good - or better - than any advertising conglomerate could devise.

  the mind-shaping wording is clearly used in order to deter critical thinking by the sheep.. face bad reports as jesus did (9 min.

  note to the speaker: explain why spiritually mature people do not become ashamed of the good news or dismayed when faced with negative propaganda.

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  darkspilver

  <sigh>

  I provided a link to prove the veracity of your OP's quotes - and in doing so I was backing up the truthfulness of those quotes.

  I truthfully answered Sugar Shane's question regarding the hierarchical usage of the PDF talk outline from which your OP's quotes are from.