Who actually are the ExMo's?
I think the problem is that, for Ex-Jws, I can name the following off the top of my head.....
But ExMo's? Who are they?
darkspilver
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X/LDS vs X/JW!!!Who is more twisted and bitter.
by joe134cd insince leaving the jws i have become fascinated by the lds church, because of the similarities both organisations have.
in reading x-mo forums i get the impression that they tend to be not as bitter and as twisted as xjw.
this is surprising as i think the lds is a bigger con than the jws.
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darkspilver
Haha, how old are you, most of those suggestions sound like they're from my parents
But then again, they'd probably be a bit more, well, more 'high culture' like Joan Sutherland
anyway, there's always these.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTgYCwlza8Q
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The Watchtower's Medical Expert
by Lee Elder ina new article by s. sparrow, published today at ajwrb, investigates dr. joachim boldt, one of the watchtower's “bloodless medicine” experts.
a notorious “medical pretender” who has exposed jw's to additional needless risk.
watchtower continues to cite this source, and fails to expose him as a fraud.
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darkspilver
Lee Elder: Orphan Crow wrote the article
haha, yeah, thanks - re-reading it, TBH not a big surprise
Bobcat: I don't have WT Library on this device but it would be interesting to see how many times hits his name would get on a search
Excluding a photo label, the WT only quotes him directly by name twice in the 'public' publications (as per the WT CD-Rom), which are the two quotes that Orphan Crow uses in full in her article:
Awake 8 January 2000
"All those dealing with blood and caring for surgical patients have to consider bloodless surgery." - Dr. Joachim Boldt, professor of anesthesiology, Ludwigshafen, Germany
'Bloodless surgery is not only for Jehovah's Witnesses but for all patients. I think that every doctor should be engaged in it.' - Dr. Joachim Boldt, professor of anesthesiology, Ludwigshafen, Germany.In addition, Joachim Boldt does not appears in any of the three WT videos regarding blood: Transfusion-Alternative Strategies—Simple, Safe, Effective (2000);2001, No Blood—Medicine Meets the Challenge (2001); and Transfusion-Alternative Health Care—Meeting Patient Needs and Rights (2002).
Also, apart from the above single January 2000 Awake article, Joachim Boldt does not currently appear to be quoted anywhere else on the jworg website.
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custody orders, proving to the court why my daughters should be baptized at 18. JW OR NOT
by Gokumonkey inhello everyone ive been posting about this situation about my daughters and their jw mom so if u want to get a back story about whats going on you can check out my previous posts.. note- daughters are only 5 months old, and i live in the united states.. right now im typing up my court orders to present to the court but ive come to a road block.
i want to add reasons to why its not a good idea to have my daughters be baptized at a young age.. here is my rough draft -.
"age appropriate baptism – i wish that my daughters to be baptized at the legal age of 18 years old.
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darkspilver
what state/province or country are you in?
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September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?
by wifibandit ini have it in spanish for now: .
1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.
please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.
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darkspilver
berrygerry - the discussion is regarding the situation when someone is over the age of consent, but under the age of majority (ie, they are still a minor, as per the title of this thread).
you also need to divide the secular from the 'spiritual' - there are other situations of child sexual abuse where the secular court finds the alleged perpetrator 'not guilty', but the 'spiritual' congregation finds them 'guilty' and disfellowships them.
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September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?
by wifibandit ini have it in spanish for now: .
1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.
please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.
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darkspilver
John Davis: The law is an extremely complicated thing and isn't always cut and dry.
Which is also I suppose why the letter says that the: "elders should call the Service Department before proceeding." - rather than the WT writing a specific letter for each state and country around the world.
berrygerry: Dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century.
haha - at your ironic comment
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September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?
by wifibandit ini have it in spanish for now: .
1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.
please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.
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darkspilver
John Davis: even though the age of majority is the same in all states 18.
Except when it isn't....
USA: Colorado = 21
https://minors.uslegal.com/age-of-majority/colorado-age-of-majority-law/USA: Mississippi = 21
https://minors.uslegal.com/age-of-majority/mississippi-age-of-majority-law/etc...
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August 31, 2017 BOE Re: Procedure for Handling Certain Cases of Wrongdoing
by wifibandit inaugust 31, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: procedure for handling certain cases of wrongdoing.
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who serve as Bethel family members, construction servants, full-time and part-time commuters, full-time and part-time construction commuters, remote servants and volunteers, field missionaries, special pioneers, Assembly Hall servants, and Bible school facility servants.
NotBlind: Very interesting that wrongdoing involving Circuit Overseers is conspicuously absent from that list!
Not really, IMHO - I expect that COs, and their wifes, are not included because they are not actually assigned to a congregation - ie no congregation holds their publisher cards, I suspect that Bethel themselves hold them, so Bethel would deal with them judically, if needed, anyway, rather than an individual congregation.
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September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?
by wifibandit ini have it in spanish for now: .
1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.
please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.
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darkspilver
Victims of child sexual abuse are not handled judicially. However, if the body of elders believes that congregation action may be warranted in the case of a mature minor who was a willing participant in wrongdoing, two elders should call the Service Department before proceeding.
The issue here seems to be the difference in the 'age of majority' (ie when a person stops being a 'minor') and the 'age of consent', which are not the same.
It appears that generally the age for consent is lower than the age for majority.
For example I understand that in New Zealand the 'age of consent' is 16, but the legal term 'age of majority' is 20.
Hence the above quote to cover the situation with 17, 18 and 19-year-old 'mature minors' in New Zealand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#By_country_or_region
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Governing Body Members Autographing Bibles
by HereIgo ini have an online ex jw friend who pointed out to me that she stumbled upon a may 15, 1999 watchtower that had pictures of governing body members autographing bibles for people.
i have no bound volumes or cd rom copies anymore so i can verify.
two things came to mind, if this is true:.
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darkspilver
I think the interesting issue with the OP is the (rhetorical) question that the GB asked the R&F in the WT from last year..... let's look...
Watchtower 15 May 1999: A Historic Visit Makes an Island Rejoice[Picture on page 8] Governing Body members sign gift Bibles for public officials
Full page scan below (Gerrit Losch, John Barr and Lloyd Barry)
Watchtower Study January 2016: "We Want to Go With You"[Box on page 27] Love "Does Not Behave Indecently"
We can show Christian love by the way we treat those taking the lead in the congregation. At times, well-known representatives of the Christian congregation — perhaps circuit overseers, Bethelites, members of the Branch Committee, members of the Governing Body as well as their helpers — may attend a convention or theocratic event that we also attend. Naturally, we want to show such brothers and their wives due respect. None of us would want to imitate the attitude of Diotrephes. He refused to welcome the visiting brothers with respect. (3 John 9, 10) But could we, even unintentionally, show a lack of good manners by going to the opposite extreme? How might we do that?
While we appreciate having an opportunity to meet and talk with visiting brothers and their wives, we would show a lack of respect if we treated such ones as celebrities. For example, would it show good manners to take candid photos of such ones—without permission—while they are eating and engaging in other activities? Would we ask them to autograph our books and Bibles? Would we push in front of others and aggressively demand that our photo be taken with them? Surely, none of these actions display true Christian love. Rather, they could show that we have missed the purpose of the visit and the hard work that such faithful ones do in our behalf. What effect could such behavior have on those attending one of our assemblies for the first time?
Watchtower Simplified Study January 2016: "We Want to Go With You"[Box on page 27] Love "Does Not Behave Indecently"
For example, would it show good manners if we take photos of themwithout their permission or when they are not aware of it, perhaps when they are eating or doing something else? Would we ask them to sign our books and Bibles? Would we push in front of others and insist that we have a photo taken with them?
