hi, first time posting.i got out about 10 years ago, but only beginning to reconcile with my trauma from being raised as a witness.
i am a professional writer, and never wanted my body of work to be prefaced -- 'oh the writer who broke free from being a jw,' but i've started the last year to now write about my experiences.
another reason i have held back is many of the victims in my family are still of the faith, and i've grappled with it is not entirely my story to tell or expose.context: the sexual abuse cover-up with my family goes back to the 50's over three generations of girls in a large extended family all raised as witnesses at the hands of an uncle, and protected by the elder body, ca, da, ontario branch of bethel, ny and so on.i grew up in a culture where the girls in my family would go 'off the deep end' at ages 16/17, and kept waiting to grow up for my turn to 'go crazy', which did happen at age 17 when i had my first manic phase and left the org for about two years.
Hi cyngz
Welcome. You're in Toronto?!
Got your TIFF tickets yet for
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6224640852623360/apostasy-movie-directed-daniel-kokotajlo
It'll be interesting to hear what you think of it.
flipper: I'm a singer/songwriter myself
I believe cyngz is a transmedia storyteller:
"If I had a Super Hero alter ego I would be known as THE PIGEON w/ the super powers to shitpost all the live long day"
according to the org's website, various congregations will be moving in with other congregations, effective january 1st 2017.
(i've only highlighted a couple) in all probability, their own k.h.
is/has been sold.
JustHuman14: God that's a lot of cash.
Looks like this one is being sold for around £47,500 ( US $61,200 )
"Reduced for quick sale" !
http://www.barbararees.com/property_detail1.php?id=875
zeb: HM of these halls or any anywhere are built for so many occupants' but are being occupied by two or three times that many?
What do you mean? Occupied at the same time? (with a large congregation) Or occupied during the week? (with multiple congregations)
it's only a matter of time of course..... jw rumor mills will start up soon, with stories of how jws were "first on the scene" as the flood waters receded..... how the red cross and/or us national guard and/or doctors without borders and/or [you name it] were marveling at just how "organized" the jws are..... how zealous jws were pulling their trolleys thru ankle-deep water to "offer comfort" to victims, by giving them - sandwiches?
bottled water?
to offer them comfort by giving them 16 page "magazines" to read in their spare time..... so as the stories start to come in, you can "deposit" those little nuggets of bs here.. once collected, we'll wrap them in a pretty bow and flush them away where other instances of pure manure go..
smiddy3 - thank you for your comments.
The OP Sir82 wanted to build a 'repository' of JW experiences with Hurricane Harvey - I am sure that, once collected, Sir82 will be able to editorialize everything within the context of the whole repository.
Therefore, as per Sir82's original request, I'm just posting here what I find/know about, without commenting (either for or against) - I'm just acting as the messenger.
Personally I do think it would be remiss of Sir82 to ignore the pictures I posted here - excluding the WT's own online and offline media - I believe those pictures will become the most widely distributed photos of JWs involved in Hurricane Harvey - and it is important that Sir82 does contextualize them within the comments you made.
Remember, those pictures appear to be popping up around the world....
USA Minnesota: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/09/02/postharvey-problems-plague-texas-as-funerals-for-dead-begin
USA Denver: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/09/02/superfund-sites-houston-harvey/
CANADA Montreal: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/09/03/apres-harvey-une-autre-tempete-menace-deja-les-etats-unis
BOLIVIA La Paz: http://paginasiete.bo/planeta/2017/9/3/harvey-deja-texas-medio-escombros-cobra-vidas-150680.html
according to the org's website, various congregations will be moving in with other congregations, effective january 1st 2017.
(i've only highlighted a couple) in all probability, their own k.h.
is/has been sold.
stan livedeath: will end up renting a place somewhere to worship. paying the rent themselves of course.
Rent?? Nah, looks like they'll just move to already existing KHs....
Richmond Park moves 2.6 miles (by road) to the Tolworth KH
Bagshot moves 3.6 miles (by road) to the Camberley KH
Chertsey moves 5.1 miles (by road) to the Staines KH (yeah - AKA Ali G's Staines Massiv!!)
steve2: A flourishing membership does not look to reduce the number of meeting places.
Yes, but probably also more indicative of 'over-expansion' - the above closures appear to be all single use/single congregation KHs - in marked contrast to the OP's list right at the start of this thread which where all double or triple or more use KHs
the british humanist association web-site has reported on the results of the british social attitudes survey, which is a major annual survey, the latest report covering the year 2013:.
https://humanism.org.uk/campaigns/religion-and-belief-some-surveys-and-statistics/the-british-social-attitudes-survey/.
for the first time, those people saying they are not members of any religious group are in the majority in the uk, up by three percentage points from 47.7% to 50.6% in just one year.
bemused: the British Social Attitudes Survey, which is a major annual survey, the latest report covering the year 2013... For the first time, those people saying they are not members of any religious group are in the majority in the UK
Somewhat unsurprisingly the lastest British Social Attitudes survey released today - September 4, 2017 - shows the tend is continuing....
British Social Attitudes: Record number of Brits with no religion
National Centre for Social Research, Monday, September 4, 2017
The latest data on religious affiliation from NatCen’s British Social Attitudes survey reveals that the proportion of people in Britain who describe themselves as having no religion is at its highest ever level.
More than half (53%) of the British public now describe themselves as having “no religion”, up from 48% in 2015. The proportion of non-believers has increased gradually since the survey began in 1983, when the proportion saying they had no religion stood at 31%.
READ MORE: http://natcen.ac.uk/news-media/press-releases/2017/september/british-social-attitudes-record-number-of-brits-with-no-religion/DATA TABLE PDF: http://natcen.ac.uk/media/1469605/BSA-religion.pdf
The media are picking up on the Survey - for example:
according to the org's website, various congregations will be moving in with other congregations, effective january 1st 2017.
(i've only highlighted a couple) in all probability, their own k.h.
is/has been sold.
Hi GoneAwol - The Searcher's OP was focusing on London KH's for sale
But, yeah, Bonsors seem to currently have three KHs for sale on their books:
1: Richmond Park KH in Kingston-upon-Thames, London (see my post above) (asking £1,000,000)
2: Bagshot KH (currently empty) in Bagshot, Surrey (as per your post) (asking £600,000)
http://www.bonsors.com/propertyInfo/277/Kingdom-Hall-Gloucester-Gardens--Bagshot
3: Chertsey KH in Chertsey, Surrey (asking £620,000)
http://www.bonsors.com/propertyInfo/278/Kingdom-Hall-108a-Station-Road-Chertsey-Surrey
orphan crow: over the course of the past four decades, hydroxyethyl starch has been used for the jehovah’s witness population... it is clear that the use of hydroxethyl starch adds extra risk to the patient.
some numbers...... this is for the uk onlyiv fluids used by nhs responsible for unnecessary deaths.
london school of hygiene & tropical medicine, 28 february 2013starch-based intravenous (iv) fluids used by the nhs to treat seriously ill patients are causing unnecessary deaths, according to a new cochrane systematic review by researchers at the school.. based on data from 25 randomised control trials, the researchers concluded that starch-based colloid fluids, used to stabilise patients with low blood pressure, are not only more expensive than saline-based crystalloid fluids, but may also be causing around 250 unnecessary deaths in the uk every year.. the safety of using colloids containing hydroxyethyl starch has been debated for years.
Orphan Crow: Over the course of the past four decades, hydroxyethyl starch has been used for the Jehovah’s Witness population... It is clear that the use of hydroxethyl starch adds extra risk to the patient
Some numbers...... this is for the UK ONLY
IV fluids used by NHS responsible for unnecessary deaths
London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, 28 February 2013Starch-based intravenous (IV) fluids used by the NHS to treat seriously ill patients are causing unnecessary deaths, according to a new Cochrane systematic review by researchers at the School.
Based on data from 25 randomised control trials, the researchers concluded that starch-based colloid fluids, used to stabilise patients with low blood pressure, are not only more expensive than saline-based crystalloid fluids, but may also be causing around 250 unnecessary deaths in the UK every year.
The safety of using colloids containing hydroxyethyl starch has been debated for years. They are widely used to treat shock following severe blood loss by increasing blood volume but recent large high quality studies have linked starch use to renal failure. The trials also found more adverse reactions with starch. Crystalloids work in the same way but do not contain starch.
Calculation for number of deaths:https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2013/colloid_use_news.html
Number of adult admissions to NHS critical care units each year = 115,674
Number of patients receiving fluid resuscitation = 42,799
Number of patients receiving colloid = 32,099
Number of patients receiving starch = 12,840
RR of death with STARCH=1.10
Risk of death in unexposed is 20%
For every 50 patients treated there is one extra death
Therefore starch use in British hospitals kill about 12840/50 = 257 patients each year.
Hydroxyethyl starch (HES) products were initially withdrawn by NHS on 27 June 2013
https://www.gov.uk/drug-device-alerts/drug-alert-hydroxyethyl-starch-hes-products-increased-risk-of-renal-dysfunction-and-mortality
a new article by s. sparrow, published today at ajwrb, investigates dr. joachim boldt, one of the watchtower's “bloodless medicine” experts.
a notorious “medical pretender” who has exposed jw's to additional needless risk.
watchtower continues to cite this source, and fails to expose him as a fraud.
Ruby456 - the HES starches have been withdrawn now, but they where not in 2012, only afterwards.
according to the org's website, various congregations will be moving in with other congregations, effective january 1st 2017.
(i've only highlighted a couple) in all probability, their own k.h.
is/has been sold.
konceptual99: I think Searcher has misread some of the info on the org website.
It's a pity that The Searcher doesn't seem to be around any more
Although I don't believe any of the 35 London KHs in the OP are up for sale yet (are they all still being shared by two or more congregations?)
Interestingly, in this thread, I did list four London KHs that where being used by just one congregation each (the most likely to be sold?):
London, East Molesey at 70 High Street, WEST MOLESEY KT8 2LY
London, Richmond Park at 29a Alexandra Road, KINGSTON UPON THAMES KT2 6SD
London, Swanley at Bremner Close, London Road, SWANLEY BR8 8TG
London, Tolworth at 16A Derby Road, Tolworth, SURBITON KT5 9AY
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5760931004940288/_post/4707357072293888
And now Richmond Park's KH in Kingston-upon-Thames is up for sale!
Seems likely that the congregation will move to the neighboring Tolworth KH - also listed above - which is 2.6 miles away.
Looks like WT is asking £1,000,000 for the Richmond Park KH (US $ 1.3 million)
hat tip https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4803910902480896/wtbts-britain-selling-another-kingdom-hall
a new article by s. sparrow, published today at ajwrb, investigates dr. joachim boldt, one of the watchtower's “bloodless medicine” experts.
a notorious “medical pretender” who has exposed jw's to additional needless risk.
watchtower continues to cite this source, and fails to expose him as a fraud.
Ruby456: I found that a 2012 article does recommend HES starches despite that these are banned in Europe.
No.
Firstly, the 2012 article date is a 'red-herring' - as per above posts - the article is from a 1990 WT publication.
Secondly, Hydroxyethyl Starch HES was NOT banned in Europe in 2012 - it was still available to use all during 2012......
For example in the UK, what Orphan Crow's OP article unfortunately appears to fail to mention is that Hydroxyethyl Starch HES was only withdrawn for use by the UK's public National Health Service (NHS) on 27 June 2013.
