with all the evidence stacked against them on child abuse issues, why do you think they are still refusing to play ball with the authorities?
why not put their hands up & say "we got a problem, we need help to change our medieval policies, we need advise on how to conduct our affairs in away that is in the victims best interests".. do you think that it is blatant, selfish pride.
the risk of losing money & struggling as a consequence, or they truly believe that jehovah is protecting them & by admitting they have acted in this inconceivable way would bring reproach on his name?.
WTS has developed the worst imaginable case of "god-complex."
They are arrogant, and absolutely accountable to no man.
One of Canada's most interesting personalities had similar bombastic arrogance, Conrad Black.
When his hand was caught in the cookie jar, his former company simply wanted seven million.
Instead, he gave them an FU, and lost exceedingly more in cash, prison time, and his life of privilege.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/14/business/14react.html
WTS echelon act no less entitled.
jw memorial attendance last year - 2014 - was about 50,000 shy of 20 million.
some posters on this forum had confidently predicted before the 2014 memorial that attendance would hit more than 20 milion.
they were wrong.. now, in 2015, and the memorial falling on a weekend night (where attendance is historically much higher), attendance has not only failed to top 20 milion but has declined by more than 87,000 in attendance over 2014:.
But I do agree that the current numbers - likely to be published in full in the 2016 Yearbook - show the decline is happening sooner than expected.
I still say that the US will not show growth in the 2016 YB.
Let's not forget 20 million is still a pretty huge achievement.
It is and it isn't.
With the 15 minute rule completely used up, and the kiddies' baptism rate also being used up, there needs to be something to create artificial numbers.
I SEE the Mormons out virtually every day. Given that it is ONLY Mormon elders that are out, whereas ALL Dubs are MINISTERS makes a sad comment.
As well, that 8.2 million is PEAK pubs, which includes 15-minuters and 1 every six monthers.
"Studies" include 3-minute "door-step" studies. What a creative joke!
I heard a comment a few weeks ago that "You can smell Armageddon in the air."
Maybe, but not Armageddon of the kings of the earth, unless those kings are in Brooklyn / Warwick.
will soon be discussing w/ somebody still in about that.
i want to make sure i am not missing anything good.
so any scriptures, articles whether wt articles or secular about effects of shunning, etc, or your arguments against how wt interprets their scriptures, etc.
The onus is to prove that shunning IS scriptural, not the other way around.
That having been said,
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php#unscriptural
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php#bible
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php#history
As JWFacts notes, shunning was condemned by WTS in 1947, but then copied RC in 1952.
Also, in WT August 1, 1974, there was a fairly balanced article on not being fanatical shunners.
Divine Mercy Points the Way Back for Erring Ones
Maintaining a Balanced Viewpoint Toward Disfellowshiped Ones
The Ray Franz' and others' "revolt" in Brooklyn led to the 1981 position that has been vigourously applied since.
1914the turning point in history.
30 from the human standpoint, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world.
german statesman konrad adenauer said: thoughts and pictures come to my mind, .
1914—The Turning Point in History
30 From the human standpoint, the world troubles and global wars foretold in the Bible were far from the thinking of the pre-1914 world. German statesman Konrad Adenauer said: “Thoughts and pictures come to my mind, . . . thoughts from the years before 1914 when there was real peace, quiet and security on this earth—a time when we didn’t know fear. . . . Security and quiet have disappeared from the lives of men since 1914.”25 People living before 1914 thought that the future “would get better and better,” reported British statesman Harold Macmillan.26 The book 1913: America Between Two Worlds notes: “Secretary of State Bryan said [in 1913] that ‘conditions promising world peace were never more favorable than now.’”27
31 So, right up to the very brink of World War I, world leaders were forecasting an age of social progress and enlightenment.
WTS often trots out these quotes as though the start of war in 1914 was a complete surprise to the entire world.
PBS is running a show (produced in 2014) called S/Her Majesty's Secret Service - about MI6.
MI6 was formed in 1909, expressly because of the rising threat of German militancy.
Hmmm.
thought she was gonna take a pic of me on the sneak.
im df'd...been df'd for over 19 years already.
so she probably would have gotten away with it without anyone knowing.....except that her flash was on.
Oh, and they like the bad boys more than they will ever admit.
after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.
but some left the organization.
however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..
Kingdom and Kingdom qualities are not cherry picking—they are absolute truth (if practised makes your life light giving only benefits to you and those around you)
This is true of most religionists and non-religionists.
This was what Dubs have always been fed - that the worst Dub is better than the best non-Dub.
Horseshit. I have zero Dub neighbours. I have asked favours from Dubs in our KH, and it was like asking a favour from the Mob. I phoned my "worldly" neighbour for a favour, and they were ready to help in 15 minutes.
ALL of my "worldly" neighbours' work ethic, family life, marital fidelity, sense of community PROVE to me that WTS teaching, that is, that worldly people are evil, and that Dubs should contribute ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to humanity, is nothing short of Satanic.
a bethelite was telling me that there are 83,000 theocratic facilities world wide.
he compared that to 35,000 mcdonalds and 21,000 starbucks roughly to show the size of the theocratic organization.
i am not sure where the 83,000 comes from what would he be counting?
from a redditor - would have died to have been there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3sukbu/our_congregation_happens_to_have_a_networked/.
From a redditor - would have died to have been there
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3sukbu/our_congregation_happens_to_have_a_networked/
after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.
but some left the organization.
however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..
after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.
but some left the organization.
however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..
