So, what were they doing in heaven? Were they "harrassing" Jehovah, and Jesus? Were they "misleading" other "good" angels?
There is a documentary on what had actually transpired:
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What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?
by Dunedain ini was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.
its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.
satan and his demons always were messing with earth.
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My experience with the people in my hall
by Freeandclear ini've been awake now for about 6 months i'd guess and a member here for a couple of weeks.
it's been eye opening to read other peoples experiences on here and i appreciate all of you.
i've noticed in many, seemingly most, of your comments that you were not treated well at your hall or you have had very negative experiences in the "org" so i thought i'd like to share mine.. in all my time as a jw i have to say for the most part i always loved the people.
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The feeling of love was overwhelming and it really changed me as a person and at the time really made me feel like this was God's love in action. Not sure how to feel about it now, but I still think back on that time with joy and appreciation.
There can be a genuine emotional feeling of love. However, my analysis is that this is a feeling of emotion. Do you tear up at movies. I do, all the time. I tear up with many songs sung at the KH.
WT is A MASTER at playing on emotion - it is the modus operandi of the organization. Every message from the GB ends with: "The GB loves you very much." Really? If they love every individual very much, should they not, at the least, respond to questions from those loved ones? (Give it a try.)
http://www.hgi.org.uk/archive/cults.htm
Why people join cults
"Cults form and thrive,” says Deikman, “not because people are crazy, but because they have two kinds of wishes. They want a meaningful life, to serve God or humanity; and they want to be taken care of, to feel protected and secure, to find a home. The first motives may be laudable and constructive, but the latter exert a corrupting effect, enabling cult leaders to elicit behaviour directly opposite to the idealistic vision with which members entered the group.
Usually, in psychiatry and psychology, the wish to be taken care of (to find a home, a parent) is called dependency and this is a rather damning label when applied to adults. Adults are not supposed to be dependent in that way, relying on another as a child would rely on a mother or father. We are supposed to be autonomous, self-sustaining, with the capacity to go it alone. We do recognise that adults need each other for emotional support, for giving and receiving affection, for validation; that is acceptable and sanctioned. But underlying such mature interdependency is the longing of the child, a yearning that is never completely outgrown. This covert dependency — the wish to have parents and the parallel wish to be loved, admired and sheltered by one's group — continues throughout life in everyone. These wishes generate a hidden fantasy or dream that can transform a leader into a strong, wise, protective parent and a group into a close, accepting family. Within that dream we feel secure.”
Read Steven Hassan's book. It's how high-control groups work.
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Stephen Lett at our assembly today
by StarTrekAngel inhe delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.
wife typed up the whole thing.
i will be posting when i get a chance.
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berrygerry
Sorry, girlfriend, but I have learned not to fall for the JW strawman technique of "discussion."
Students are not greater than their teacher. But the student who is fully trained will become like the teacher.
It was Jesus himself who stated this. Therefore, those claiming to be Christ himself's "brothers," directly appointed by Jehovah God himself, ought to have their shit together, not shitting on the rest of humanity, and directly calling them "pieces of garbage."
And, as with all other alleged "JW apologists," you refuse to answer the most basic question:
"How did Abel witness his own birth?" as indicated by your "glorious one" (2 Pet. 2:10), Stephen Lett.
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Stephen Lett at our assembly today
by StarTrekAngel inhe delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.
wife typed up the whole thing.
i will be posting when i get a chance.
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Do you really think that using the illustration of going down in an elevator is an undesirable thing is sound advice?
Yup, elevators are designed to go UP or DOWN.
Another illustration just like Jesus woulda dun. (Of course, Jesus and the GB only use the stairs. Some Lead Zeppelin thinga-majing.)
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Stephen Lett at our assembly today
by StarTrekAngel inhe delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.
wife typed up the whole thing.
i will be posting when i get a chance.
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Moses had a speech impediment. God doesnt choose what we think he should choose. His advice was sound.
When Jesus finished these sayings, the effect was that the crowds were astounded at his way of teaching
.Students are not greater than their teacher. But the student who is fully trained will become like the teacher.
The crowds were astounded by Jesus' teaching because of its quality, not because he was a buffoon. Of all of JW's, the GB should be "fully trained," and like Jesus, should they not?
(BTW - can you respond to Abel witnessing his own birth?)
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Stephen Lett at our assembly today
by StarTrekAngel inhe delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.
wife typed up the whole thing.
i will be posting when i get a chance.
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Abel could see Jehovah's promise came true when Eve bore children.
Abel witnessed his own birth? That's a good trick.
At the moment of his thievery he was an atheist.
So, Satan and the demons believe in God (and shudder), but Achan was a "temporary" atheist.
Rotten meat that smells good.
That's also a good trick.
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Stephen Lett at our assembly today
by StarTrekAngel inhe delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.
wife typed up the whole thing.
i will be posting when i get a chance.
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Ya know, the ones where 16 people insist at sitting all together at a super long table in a restaurant.
Why did we do that?
Why not tables of 4 or 6? You cannot speak to someone 3 seats down anyways.
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Some thoughts on the new midweek meeting
by Saltheart Foamfollower inthe new midweek meeting has been running for a month now.
here are my thoughts on how it is going so far:.
1) elders are looking frazzled from being on virtually every meeting and having to prepare unfamiliar formats for items.
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NSFW
I was interested when I heard about two sisters at the CLAM meeting - and then I found out that there was no JOUSTING.
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You Are All Pieces of Garbage
by berrygerry inalthough tomo's human hotdogs was as low as an alleged human could verbally go, tomo's fear-mongering was not an official video.. i'm wagering that the feb 2016 video will be pulled or adjusted.. what do you think, trash?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68pcx7ztac.
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Although ToMo's Human Hotdogs was as low as an alleged human could verbally go, ToMo's fear-mongering was not an official video.
I'm wagering that the Feb 2016 video will be pulled or adjusted.
What do you think, trash?
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Old habits die hard - 30 secs into the clip -
"this is not a Watch Tower cooking show"