What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

Dunedain

I was just thinking about how the WTS has been spouting off for YEARS that Satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?

Its not like Satan and his demons did not have access to the earth. According the the bible, and the org, he was in the garden of eden, using a snake to "screw" with Adam and Eve. They have been "messing" with Gods "seed" from the beginning, and all the way thru the whole bible. Satan and his "organisation", according to the WTS, have been responsible for all the evils in this world. From Using Cain, Nimrod, all the nations that opposed Isreal, the world powers, and up unto this very day by "misleading" or trying to tempt Jehovahs people, lol.

So, basically, we can assume from this, that Satan and his demons were ALWAYS was dealing with humanity, and in the "vicinity" of the earth. Really then, whats the difference, after 1914, or before 1914, as he was always "messing" with humanity and in a very intimate way, IN and ON the earth.

So, if he, since 1914, is ONLY "stuck" in the "vicinity" of the earth, (A) Whats the difference?

AND

(B) What was he and his demons "doing" differently before 1914?

If the ONLY change, after 1914, is that he is stuck in the vicinity of planet earth, then, logically, we must conclude that he/they were "doing" something up in HEAVEN. So, what could that be? Revelations says that there was a "war in heaven", and the WTS concludes that this means their butts were kicked down to earth and humanity, even though they were messing with us anyway, whatever.

So, what were they doing in heaven? Were they "harrassing" Jehovah, and Jesus? Were they "misleading" other "good" angels? Did this kind of crap, just start AFTER Adam was created, or was it before, too? If it was before, then why would God even dare to create mankind, if there was "issues". If Satan and his demons ONLY started messing with "heaven", after mans creation, then according to bible/WTS chronology, that would have only been happening for around 6000 years, and STOPPED at 1914, when they were "cast down" to earth. Is THAT enough time for "issues" to be settled IN THE SPIRIT WORLD?

It seems like Satan and his demon gang, must have really been "annoying" God and the angels. I mean, there was a WAR, right? What were they doing to them? Hurling insults? Calling then "nerds" up in heaven? Saying things like, "ha ha, we get to hang out on earth and YOU cant"?

When you put it ALL down in words, it REALLY shows how it ALL just reads like BS. If 1914 was such a pivitol year, according to the WTS, then how the WTS presents it, creates all these questions. Satan and his demons ALWAYS were messing with earth. They were ALWAYS within the vicinity of earth. What were they doing in HEAVEN, then, that caused them to NOW at 1914, to have to be kept ONLY in the vicinity of earth? Is it that "chaotic" up in Jehovahs "spirit" world, that Satan and his boys were just all helter skelter up there?

Whats everybodys thoughts on this? It just seems so ridiculous, BUT these kind of questions and "doctrine" ARE the cornerstone of JW theology. Think about it. . . . . . .

smiddy

The book of Job .... ,apparently Satan could come before Jehovah and was asked by God have you observed Job ?....etc,....this is in heaven right ? ....How many years after satin misled Adam and Eve did this occur ?

Immediately after Adam and Eves " sin" they were punished , today , humans are subjected to a multitude of diseases , afflictions ,indignities and death , and have been subjected to this for thousands of years .

What have Satin and his demons suffered , according to the Bible ? nothing....On the scales of justice it seems heavily loaded against humans..

. According to the W.T. Jehovah wouldn`t talk to humans directly after they sinned ,however he had no problem talking to the instigator of there sinning , Satin the Devil directly in Job.or even being in his presence.

And as the OP suggests , Satin and his Demons were obviously hobnobbing with Jehovah and his Angels chit chatting about the events taking place on the earth right up until 1914 .

If you use Job as an example , it`s a contest between God and the Devil as to whose subject will be obedient under pressure .

smiddy

Amelia Ashton

They must have been so boooooored all those millions of years with nothing to do except worship Jehovah and tell him how wonderful he is.

Humans to play with was probably just too much temptation to resist. Like a new toy perhaps. Lol

Pete Zahut

"It seems like Satan and his demon gang, must have really been "annoying" God and the angels. I mean, there was a WAR, right? What were they doing to them? Hurling insults? Calling then "nerds" up in heaven? Saying things like, "ha ha, we get to hang out on earth and YOU cant"?

"If you use Job as an example , it`s a contest between God and the Devil as to whose subject will be obedient under pressure ."

And millions upon millions of us have been used as pawns in their little contest and have suffered horribly because of it. We're supposed to feel unworthy, guilty and bad about ourselves for our so called imperfect and sinful state. Look at what's been going on at Headquartes (heaven) since the beginning. Who really should be sorry and apologetic to whom?

prologos

It explains the strides in aviation, the space programs since 1914. If the Earth and it's vicinity is literal, the heavens must be too. so: Pleiades, here we come, restart " the accusing of our brothers day and night."

Everything Satan ever did was authorized by Jehovah, after all, he, and his dematerialized demons listened obediently not to kill Job, just his kids.

let's ask the astronomers: is there anything special about the sphere 100 light years around the Earth? it is demon free! and farther, past 6666** light years to infinity too, demon free! all these giant dinosaurs, mass extinction, demon free.

*** assuming that Satan harboured, internalized, dedicated his rebellion for 666 years before the snake talked.

It is amazing what you can cull from the cult.

TheOldHippie

"They must have been so boooooored all those millions of years "

Remember, though, that time only exists when matter does. So when there is no matter, no "stuff", there is no time, just an eternal "now". Before creation of matter started, there was no time, and so therefore one is wrong in stating that Jesus was with his Father for countless billions of years before they started creating the Universe - before the Universe there was no time. For someone outside of the Universe, outside of matter, it all happened at one moment, one "now", but the results would take action in time ahead of that "now".

So how can you be bored if all you have is "now"?

prologos

"--Before creation of matter started, there was no time--", it should read "There was no movement through time." Even now, under the right condition that one way movement can come to a halt for you, while time keeps existing as a dimension just as before and into the future. According to wt, the angels applauded during the 13.8 billion years, that space, energy, matter accelerated (time^2). before that, blinking?

What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

Dunedain

smiddy

Amelia Ashton

Pete Zahut

prologos

TheOldHippie

prologos

WireRider

TheOldHippie

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