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  Witnesses desperate for news to feel good about themselves

  by joker in

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  i have a relative who is a "dyed in the wool true blue jw" and yesterday he sent me this link with the jw method of evaluating the news " more to come !.

  sounds like they're grasping at straws now to put meat on their failed prophecy bones.. http://www.freep.com/story/money/business/michigan/2017/02/23/family-christian-stores-close/98310234/.

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  The entire world is getting kudos for helping this one and helping that one....young people helping one another, folks travelling all over the world to help others and the media is picking it up....so what about witnesses...as you now many need validation...(that's why they report whatever they do)...and so because they are attention hogs, even if they act like they aren't they are....JW's are wondering...what are we doing? Everyone in the world is trying to help, but what are we doing...just handing out paper...

  At so many meetings, the line about really helping people is used. "If you really want to help people, you do not give time or money to charity, you go in the ministry."

  Looking this nonsense up in old WT's, they actually linked helping charity to this (WT Aug 15, 1960, p 488):
  

  What are we to think, then, about what is popularly called the “social gospel”? Is reforming the world the work of Christians? There is no doubt that much time could be spent on efforts toward social reform. Some persons, for instance, might spend their whole lives combating some vice such as gambling, prostitution or alcoholism. Trying to clean up the world’s entertainments, movies, books and magazines, could consume our life energies. What great energies could be expended fighting poverty and delinquency! Seeing the world in a frightful mess, the Christian wonders: How can I do the most good?
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  Why did Paul refuse to waste precious time on the “social gospel”? Because he knew that Jehovah God through his kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ would blot out economic, industrial and social slavery at the war of Armageddon
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  To try to bring about this result by any other way will not only fail but be out of harmony with the will of God. God is not going to reform this world; he is going to destroy it. This evil world is not a friend of God; “whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.” (Jas. 4:4) To join in with this world’s programs of reform, preaching the “social gospel” instead of the Kingdom good news, places one at enmity with God.
  
  
  
  
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  The Danger of Settlements

  by Tech49 in

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  i was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.

  conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.

  i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).

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  berrygerry

  Phooey.

  Is that you, Dad?

  (I haven't heard that word in a coon's age.)
  
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  Are they studying the Truth book in Sunday's photo?

  by berrygerry in

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  2. bible

  this got buried in a thread, so i'll ask in a new thread.. in the 2017 convention program is this photo for sunday.

  can someone with better eyes tell me if those are truth books?.

  https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/m/1102017403/univ/art/1102017403_univ_lsr_lg.jpg.

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  berrygerry

  This got buried in a thread, so I'll ask in a new thread.

  In the 2017 convention program is this photo for Sunday. Can someone with better eyes tell me if those are Truth books?

  https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/m/1102017403/univ/art/1102017403_univ_lsr_lg.jpg

  
  
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  The Danger of Settlements

  by Tech49 in

  1. jw
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  i was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.

  conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.

  i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).

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  It is Risk Management 101.

  Automakers are the most prominent. How much will a recall cost vs how many deaths and negative publicity?

  With over 20 in-house volunteer lawyers, WT will fight until they know that they will lose. The publicity of a loss is as much a consideration as the amount.
  
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  Convention program 2017 AM3

  by George One Time in

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  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/convention-program-2017/friday/.

  why would our beloved gb member be on the top picture of the program?.

  any ideas?.

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  Are they studying the Truth book in Sunday's photo?

  https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/m/1102017403/univ/art/1102017403_univ_lsr_lg.jpg
  
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  Observations from an Ex-Elder Part 3 - Why not create multiple Adam & Eve's?

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  i saw a post the other day on another forum (think it was reddit) that put forward the idea that god should have created multiple couples, not just adam and ever.

  this idea was so simple and brilliantly logical, that i wish i'd thought of it, but i cannot claim credit!

  but it really got me thinking of the practical implications and benefits.... if god had simply created multiple couples instead of one, he would in one foul swoop have solved the problem of incest, as well as have prevented 6 thousand years of human tragedy and a ransom sacrifice being needed etc.

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  Multiple couples?

  This could have even been done with the couples placed separately on different continents.
  
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  Observations from an Ex-Elder Part 3 - Why not create multiple Adam & Eve's?

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i saw a post the other day on another forum (think it was reddit) that put forward the idea that god should have created multiple couples, not just adam and ever.

  this idea was so simple and brilliantly logical, that i wish i'd thought of it, but i cannot claim credit!

  but it really got me thinking of the practical implications and benefits.... if god had simply created multiple couples instead of one, he would in one foul swoop have solved the problem of incest, as well as have prevented 6 thousand years of human tragedy and a ransom sacrifice being needed etc.

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  He sacrificed?

  He would have been desperate to return to be with his father, and to have his former life.

  He suffered?

  As you posted, it would have been a blip.

  
  

  Draw Close - page 232

  
  "Just think—Jehovah’s Son was in existence before the physical universe. How long, then, were Father and Son together? Some scientists estimate that the universe is 13 billion years old. Can you even imagine that much time? To help people grasp the age of the universe as estimated by scientists, one planetarium features a time line 360 feet [110 m] long. As visitors walk along that time line, each step they take represents about 75 million years in the life of the universe. At the end of the time line, all human history is represented by a single mark the thickness of one human hair! Yet, even if this estimate is correct, that entire time line would not be long enough to represent the life span of Jehovah’s Son! "
  
  
  
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  Lots Of Whining And Complaining About Us JW's

  by Deaconblues1914 in

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  in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.

  society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.

  jehovah has indeed blessed us.

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  Soon, very soon

  Can you commit to a maximum time - eg. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, 40 years?
  
  
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  All enforced shunning soon to end.

  by poopie in

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  so now you can share spiritual things with df ones.

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  Boe letter

  This one?
  

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5649965248413696/no-more-official-visits-disfellowshipped-disassociated-ones
  
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  How Old Was Eve When She Was Tempted?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has this question ever been answered by wt or biblical apologetic?.

  if near the beginning of her creation, would she not have had the effective development of a a toddler or even a baby?.

  if so, would you sentence a toddler or a baby to death for grabbing an appealing candy from a bowl?.

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  Are you suggesting that Eve was created as a CHILD?

  Not physically.

  But with what measure of mental development, including reasoning ability, was Eve created?

  If God did create her with mental development, then to what degree is God responsible for Eve's decision making?

  If God did create her without mental development, then how could it be fair to sentence such a child-like person to death for believing a lie told by an intelligent scheming person (Satan)?