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  Leo Greenless - was he jailed?

  by berrygerry in

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  it would appear that leo fought the cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.. did he go to prison?.

  http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf.

  is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?.

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  berrygerry

  At least Brother Greenlees had been protected.

  (Sorry to bump my own post)

  And protected, and protected ...
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  Leo Greenless - was he jailed?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
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  it would appear that leo fought the cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.. did he go to prison?.

  http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf.

  is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?.

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  79 Yearbook

  Undaunted, Jehovah’s people got ready to try again. The government wanted to conscript Leo K. Greenlees of the Toronto branch office staff (now of the Governing Body), who had been a full-time minister since 1931. Instead of waiting for the authorities to prosecute, an action for declaratory judgment was instituted entitled Greenlees v. Attorney-General for Canada. The suit demanded a declaration that Leo Greenlees was a minister not subject to the draft. This was a bold move that left the opposition astonished. The war was still on and anything touching the military was considered almost sacrosanct. Yet, here was an organization that had just come out from under ban. Instead of quietly shrinking away, it was making an unabashed demand for justice and fair treatment. Jehovah’s Witnesses were back on the scene and everybody knew it!

  The Greenlees case was given a full hearing by Mr. Justice Hogg of the Supreme Court of Ontario. Evidence was given by L. K. Greenlees, Percy Chapman and Hayden C. Covington. In spite of the strong evidence, the trial judge dismissed the action on weak and specious reasoning. Appeal was taken to the Ontario Court of Appeal, which also gave an evasive decision, essentially refusing to deal with the true legal issue. Next, application was made for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. But it refused to hear the appeal on the technical ground that there was no financial claim involved in the case.

  The only remaining remedy was an appeal to the Privy Council in London, England. A motion for appeal was filed in London for hearing during October 1946. Just before the time for argument, however, the government repealed the conscription law. There was no law left to argue about; so the case terminated without a final decision. At least Brother Greenlees had been protected.
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  Leo Greenless - was he jailed?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it would appear that leo fought the cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.. did he go to prison?.

  http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf.

  is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?.

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  berrygerry

  The SCC was 1946 - the original decision from 1944. By 1946, the war was well over, so did the original decision become moot?
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  Leo Greenless - was he jailed?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it would appear that leo fought the cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.. did he go to prison?.

  http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf.

  is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?.

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  berrygerry

  How about "discovered?"

  (I have no idea of whether or not one genuinely becomes gay or not - I think some are definitely genetically wired that way - I do think that others experiment sexually.)
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  Leo Greenless - was he jailed?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it would appear that leo fought the cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.. did he go to prison?.

  http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf.

  is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?.

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  berrygerry

  It would appear that Leo fought the Cdn draft on the grounds of being a minister, which he was denied.

  Did he go to prison?

  http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1946/1946canlii2/1946canlii2.pdf

  Is that where he picked up his, ummmm, sexual identity?
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  What should the WBT$ do to get on track?

  by punkofnice in

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  it looks as if the gb are blundering around and really showing themselves up for the buffoons they are.

  all the stupidity about tight trousers is laughable and if the general public were to see these selfmportant cult leaders blabbing this stuff then the last shred of their credibility would be destroyed.........perhaps.. the wbt$ seem to have dug themselves into a deep pit of no escape with their lies, new light(tm), paedophile protection and all the other nauseating peripherals they have.. we also suspect that the wbt$ have their spies here because they are either predictable or get ideas form forums like this.. so!

  are you listening watchtower(r)?

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  berrygerry

  When I came across this forum 6 months or so back, I was of the opinion that 1 or 2 things needed changing, for the improvement of the Borg.

  I pestered a few members, who said it was unreformable.

  After much research, observation, and painful personal experience, I have come to the same conclusion.

  Anyone who has taken an Organizational Behaviour course will know that this Organization cannot change.

  It will decrease over the coming years - what it's eventual shape or form will be is indeterminate.
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  Feeling sad over a wasted life in watchtower

  by wannaexit in

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  it's been 12 years since i first read ray franz's books and the scales came off my eyes.

  by that time i was in my forties.. since 2002 i went back to school and have worked with 3 very professional organizations.

  but my biological clock is ticking away and while my peers are looking forward to retirement, i am only beginning.

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  berrygerry

  I've had 6 JW friends and acquaintences that committed suicide. But I didn't.

  Sad. I know the same number. I know ZERO worldly people. ???

  The Watchtower life is the same. Things change and what was important in your life then is no longer important now

  Sorry R & R, I need to strongly disagree.

  Not only have so many of us wasted our lives, many have also lost all friendships AND FAMILY.

  A lousy job or any other poor decision does not take away your loved ones as WTS does.
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  Watchtower Child Custody Packet

  by Dead Man Joaquin in

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  you know, the one that's only available by an official request to the boe in child custody cases.

  anybody have a scan or link?.

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  berrygerry

  Thanks Girl
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  Watchtower Child Custody Packet

  by Dead Man Joaquin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you know, the one that's only available by an official request to the boe in child custody cases.

  anybody have a scan or link?.

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  Anyone know of a current location of this packet?
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  JW Child Custody.

  by Celestial in

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  upon first glimpse, i thought this was a specialized service of a legitimate law firm, but as it turns out, it's simply a selective presentation of exploitable religious issues enacted by a former elder (william bowen).. http://jwchildcustody.com/ .

  dont allow your children to be turned against you!.

  statistics show that over 1,000 custody cases are fought each year involving jehovahs witness children.

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  berrygerry

  As for alleged "Watchtower attorneys" in a child custody case, I've never been aware of any legal representation appointed by the Watchtower society to individual congregation members for the purposes of family law. It could be that I've been misinformed.

  Yes, you have been misinformed.