Posts by berrygerry

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

berrygerry

The idiotic reasoning behind the original JW quote is that one should continue "serving Jehovah" even if the organization fails to live up to what is expected of it. But get this: by "serving Jehovah", what they really mean is blindly serving the corrupt organization that doesn't measure up to what it professes to be, because they equate "serving Jehovah" with being in the organization.

"The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation."

Could not be simpler.

Also, does not the wording indicate that there would be a form of worship that is not clean and is defiled?

Would not that defiled form of worship be the neglecting of orphans and widows (doesn't state "Christian" orphans and widows either)?

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OMG - How Low Can They Go?

by berrygerry in

i'm sorry if this has been posted previously, but i haven't noticed it.. this was posted on reddit.. has anyone seen this moneysuck video:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ylee4u_yu.

berrygerry

I'm sorry if this has been posted previously, but I haven't noticed it.

This was posted on reddit.

Has anyone seen this moneysuck video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5YleE4U_YU

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Doctrinal Spring Cleaning

by berrygerry in

loved this term used in a recent thread.. with the wts' realization/declaration that the freddie franz type/antitype mushroom era is over, questions remain for me over 2 remaining, primary teachings (without even mentioning the daniel and revelation ones).. can someone play apologist and explain:.

1. why can the faithful slave be defended as what the wts explains this verse to be?.

2. how in the heck can the chariot in ezekiel be explained away as "jehovah's earthly organization?

berrygerry

From JW . Borg:

“Types and Antitypes.”

Brother Splane delivered this talk, which explained why in recent years our publications have not discussed types and antitypes as much as they once did.

In the past, many faithful men and women mentioned in the Bible were said to foreshadow groups of faithful Christians in our time. Likewise, a number of Bible accounts were thought to be prophetic of events involving God’s modern-day servants. Admittedly, it can be fascinating to study such comparisons. Why, then, have our recent publications seldom mentioned types and antitypes?

The Scriptures indicate that some characters and events foreshadowed someone or something greater. Where the Bible makes a clear connection between a type and an antitype, we gladly accept it. “But where the Bible is silent, we must be silent,” said Brother Splane. We should avoid reading too much into an account.

In no way whatsoever does Ezekiel 1 intimate that his vision was of " a chariot." What is the "clear connection" of this vision to that which is used every bloody week, as that of Jehovah's chariot, which is explained as being his earthly organization?

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Doctrinal Spring Cleaning

by berrygerry in

loved this term used in a recent thread.. with the wts' realization/declaration that the freddie franz type/antitype mushroom era is over, questions remain for me over 2 remaining, primary teachings (without even mentioning the daniel and revelation ones).. can someone play apologist and explain:.

1. why can the faithful slave be defended as what the wts explains this verse to be?.

2. how in the heck can the chariot in ezekiel be explained away as "jehovah's earthly organization?

berrygerry

Loved this term used in a recent thread.

With the WTS' realization/declaration that the Freddie Franz type/antitype mushroom era is over, questions remain for me over 2 remaining, primary teachings (without even mentioning the Daniel and Revelation ones).

Can someone play apologist and explain:

1. Why can the Faithful Slave be defended as what the WTS explains this verse to be?

2. How in the heck can the chariot in Ezekiel be explained away as "Jehovah's earthly organization?"

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What WTS could learn - arrogance, entitlement, telling people how they should live their lives.

by berrygerry in

hey simon:do you think that the wts could learn something in the orange crush steamrolling a 44-year dynasty?.

for non-albertans (a province in canada), a 44-year ruling party got tossed on their ass, with extreme prejudice.. in the last little while, they behaved exactly like wts does to their subjects.. the dark ages - are they ending?.

berrygerry

Hey Simon:
Do you think that the WTS could learn something in the Orange Crush steamrolling a 44-year dynasty?

For non-Albertans (a province in Canada), a 44-year ruling party got tossed on their ass, with extreme prejudice.

In the last little while, they behaved exactly like WTS does to their subjects.

The Dark Ages - are they ending?

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The Bible Does Not Say - But ...

by berrygerry in

painfully reading an article of may 15, 2015 (extra-simplified edition) and again observed this phraseology: the bible does not say, but .... so, did satan hope to tempt her with the luxurious palaces of pharaoh and abimelech?

did satan think that she would betray her husband and even jehovah by marrying one of those kings?

the bible does not say, but it is very likely that the devil would have been overjoyed if sarah had lost the opportunity to become part of the messiahs family line.. .

berrygerry

Painfully reading an article of May 15, 2015 (extra-simplified edition) and again observed this phraseology: The Bible does not say, but ...

So, did Satan hope to tempt her with the luxurious palaces of Pharaoh and Abimelech? Did Satan think that she would betray her husband and even Jehovah by marrying one of those kings? The Bible does not say, but it is very likely that the Devil would have been overjoyed if Sarah had lost the opportunity to become part of the Messiah’s family line.

I remember this years ago - The Bible does not say, but.

Any psyche-type people want to comment?

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A Toast to Windchimes

by DarioKehl in

i recently researched on jw dot org why toasts are not allowed.

in the article, they candidly admit that wedding bands also have pagan origins, but their modern understanding trumps this fact since they serve another function: signifying whether or not a person is married.

same with neck ties, i guess (although their pagan origins were not mentioned in the article).

berrygerry

The WTS senior cultists scour every single human practice in order to further ingratiate themselves into the cult persona.

Case in point is the aforementioned clinking of glasses.

One particular cultist leader (that is, an Elder) who, prior to, had somewhat of a successful business practice, at least once year, made a practice of commenting at KH meetings about business lunches whereby he declined to clink glasses with his worldly companions, and thereupon commenced detailing the horrific Satanic origin of the practice, that is, to chase away demons (shriek), as per WTS teaching.

However, what is of interest in googling (damn that Satan for creating Google) the actual origin of clinking glasses. ( https://www.google.com/search?q=why+clink+glasses&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 )

(Brought to you by WT - we put the BS in WTBTS )

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How hard is it to attend a congregation outside of the territory where you live? Consequences for doing so.

by hoser in

jw
friends

i need to change congregation but stay living in the same place.

any experience with this.

berrygerry

think less than 50% of the people in my hall live in the territory. I didn't realize this was still a taboo thing.

This changed several years ago.

In times past, there was an annual reminder that all should attend their assigned congregation. A few years ago, this was changed to: We'd rather have you attend another congo than fade away.

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Would you give your life for those that shun you?

by Esse quam videri in

'no one has greater love than this, that someone would lay down his life for his friends.'.

many have been hurt by the practice of shunning.

family members, [former?

berrygerry

Alright, goof, I'll play.

So, you're assking, my "friend" is shunning me, and, by this display of friendship, would I lay down my life for such a friend?

Is that the question, f*%^tard?

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The poor and deprived life of JW children.

by Esse quam videri in

i find it hard to believe that adults on this forum make such a big deal about not celebrating birthdays, x-mas, easter, halloween, etc, etc, etc.

i grew up as a jw kid and it actually made me feel good, being different from the other kids in school.

we went to meetings.

berrygerry

I find it hard to believe that adults on this forum make such a big deal about not celebrating birthdays, x-mas, easter, halloween, etc, etc, etc.

HI. I'm a troll.

Could I post something to invigourate several dozen people to get excited and post rebuttals?