Posts by berrygerry

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legal action to Baptism of minor annulled?

by cyberjesus in

let's imagine that a 10 year old gets baptized.

parents split and kid never goes back to the hall again.

15 years later kid celebrates christmas and gets df since some dub saw him celebrating.

berrygerry

Sometimes yes.

So, how do you differentiate why it is not OK for a child to consent to sexual abuse, but that that same child is capable to consent to emotional and spiritual abuse?

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it is still strange, that an organization, lead by a group of old timers, is gaining billions at the moment, without giving any transparency and accountancy feedback, because these men "trust each other", and come away with that.. they got the property investment by the use of cohi associates, and deposit their liquid assets at the caymans.. it is clear: the real power behind the jw.org facade is securing his future.. don't get me wrong, i'm not insane, but more and more i got this strong gut feeling that some governmental organization has the real power.. gorby.

berrygerry

Without being a total conspiracy-theorist, I think that the New Zealand branch sale was a precursor.

SOMEBODY has considerable influence as to the money/real estate of this Org.

That SOMEBODY has seen the MENE MENE TEKEL PARSIN, and has determined the moves of the next five years.

They are real estate development and sale related.

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legal action to Baptism of minor annulled?

by cyberjesus in

let's imagine that a 10 year old gets baptized.

parents split and kid never goes back to the hall again.

15 years later kid celebrates christmas and gets df since some dub saw him celebrating.

berrygerry

A child does not qualify to give consent to sex.

Ahh, but they do qualify to be baptized, with all of the adult repercussions?

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legal action to Baptism of minor annulled?

by cyberjesus in

let's imagine that a 10 year old gets baptized.

parents split and kid never goes back to the hall again.

15 years later kid celebrates christmas and gets df since some dub saw him celebrating.

berrygerry

Rephrasing for Simon and Fish.

let's imagine that a 10 year old consents to sex with an adult. 15 years later, the kid, now a 25-year-old adult, realizes that the then-consensual sex has seriously affected his/her life.

can he/she get his consent at 10-years-old annulled?

can the adult involved be taken to court?

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"Theocratic Warfare" still alive and well within Watchtower in 2016!

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

it seems like the watchtower is still encouraging "theocratic warfare".

in the no.1 watchtower of 2016, they (ironically) printed an article on honesty.here is something they said:"lyingwhat is it?

saying something false to someone who is entitledto know the truth.

berrygerry

WHAT IS IT? Saying something false to someone who is entitled
to know the truth.

Awesome catch.

Even in 2016, only elders, and positionally above in WT, are ENTITLED to truth.

Everyone else, WTH are you asking? Okay - back room.

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What's a better story that Beth-sarim

by eyeuse2badub in

http://nyp.st/1mgz4ql.

this group built a place for non other than jesus-heck with those "ancient worthies".. just saying!.

eyeuse2badub.

berrygerry

Beth SHAN

Best Memes.

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Kevin O'Leary Asked to Invest in Watch Tower Society of Pennsylvania - His Response

by berrygerry in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwspmjngt6w

berrygerry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWspMJNgT6w

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Statistics - Spreadsheets - Opinion

by berrygerry in

so, spent a fair bit of time on the stats.. the 2010-2015 numbers are available here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0bwv5uvzb3-67axpzavk0m0nttfe&usp=sharing.

also there are spreadsheets of: ratios, peak-pubs, and the best is a combo of ratios, peak pubs & average pubs.. you can play with these by "select all" and "sort" according to your preference.. if you would like any other combination, i would try to create it and post it for you.. of interest:.

as has been noted, the biggest standout of 2015 is the increase of only 18k in peak pubs while having 260k baptized.

berrygerry

'Yet literature carts have proved to very effective'. Very effective...my ass!

When you look at the stats - none of the Peak Pub growth is in Cult Cart areas.

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Creative day 7000 years, is this correct and how did the Org come up with this idea?

by Crazyguy in

any body know?

berrygerry

Creative Days?

Shit.

I always thought Creative Daze !

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Statistics - Spreadsheets - Opinion

by berrygerry in

so, spent a fair bit of time on the stats.. the 2010-2015 numbers are available here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0bwv5uvzb3-67axpzavk0m0nttfe&usp=sharing.

also there are spreadsheets of: ratios, peak-pubs, and the best is a combo of ratios, peak pubs & average pubs.. you can play with these by "select all" and "sort" according to your preference.. if you would like any other combination, i would try to create it and post it for you.. of interest:.

as has been noted, the biggest standout of 2015 is the increase of only 18k in peak pubs while having 260k baptized.

berrygerry

So, spent a fair bit of time on the stats.

The 2010-2015 numbers are available here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwV5UvzB3-67aXpzaVk0M0NTTFE&usp=sharing

Also there are spreadsheets of: ratios, peak-pubs, and the best is a combo of ratios, peak pubs & average pubs.

You can play with these by "Select All" and "Sort" according to your preference.

If you would like any other combination, I would try to create it and post it for you.

OF INTEREST:

As has been noted, the biggest standout of 2015 is the increase of only 18k in Peak Pubs while having 260k baptized. Makes little sense.

Most of the Peak Pub growth is Africa. Nine countries (Togo, Rwanda, South Africa, Madagascar, Cameroon, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Angola, Ghana) have a total increase of 28,954 Peak Pubs.

The African countries not pulling their weight are: Congo, and the glowing poster child, Malawi.

India had an impressive increase - strange that WTS is abandoning this potential.

Besides the nine African countries and India, there were two winners for WTS, Mexico and, showing an impressive rebound, Brazil

Eastern Europe shows across the board declines. Russia's surprising growth does not offset the declines in Ukraine, if indeed Ukrainian Dubs have escaped to Russia.

Central and South America are flat as a pancake. (Excepting Brazil)

Notable losers are:

Poland, Puerto Rico, Korea, Jamaica, Chile, Congo.

Many, many countries show declines in both the ratio to population and Peak Pubs, but an increase in Avg Pubs. (See Summary below) Unless otherwise noted, this applies to North and South America, and both Eastern and Western Europe. Notable countries such as D.R., Australia, Canada, Zambia, Spain, and Britain fall into this category.

The top 17 countries had a total increase of 59,018 Peak Pubs, even though the global increase was only 18,560. They have acknowledged declines in Peak Pubs in 91 countries.

SUMMARY

There are declines across the board in almost all metrics.

Included in these declines is the decline in Aux Pio. They must have realized this during early 2015, and hence the strong-arming for the push in August. Even with that push, there was a striking decrease from 635k to 443k - a decrease of 191,794. The increase of 45,764 Reg. Pio. does not justify this decrease.

The desperation in the push for money shows that they have run out of ideas. Their abandonment of India seems to reinforce this view.

Also, many, many countries are showing declines in both the Ratio-to-Pop and Peak Pubs, but are then showing an INCREASE in Avg Pubs. This makes no sense whatsoever, and makes it possible that they have created a new measure as to what composes the Average Publishers statistic. (The previous was already as vague as could be [Aug 15, 2011 QFR]: . “"Average publishers” is the typical number of different ones reporting time in the ministry each month." Who defines "typical"?)

IF (it remains to be seen how big of an IF it is) 2016 follows suit to 2015, then 2014 would have been the peak of WTS. (fingers crossed).