the 84 and 2013 versions are incroperated into JW Library. It's the 1950-1960 releases that are in six volumes that prove how goofy a translation job they did.
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New World Translation Versions/Revisions
by PietaHouse inhi folks.
new here, and growing weary of finding an e-text version of one of the earlier releases of the new world translation.
i have searched high and low, and for some reason, it is as if it does not exist.. i'm catholic, but for research purposes and as a courtesy to jws, i've put the 1984 and the 2013 versions in a database format for e-sword (e-sword.net).
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DOES BELIEF IN THE BIBLE DESTROY ONE'S INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY?
by TerryWalstrom inbased on information to be found at: http://www.csicop.org/si/show/when_dont_the_highly_educated_believe_in_evolution_the_bible_believers_effe/.
the bible-believers effect.
those who believe the bible is the word of god (bible believers) and those who dont believe the bible is the word of god (bible nonbelievers) differ in their beliefs that humans evolved from earlier species of animals.
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If we are dealing with the USA I would say yes. 60% of Americans recently said evolution is false.
Now religion in itself is not bad if we are talking Buddiism, Taoism etc. Christianity however forces you to accept things that simply can be proven false scientifically.
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Bible Students Convention ......New Understanding of 607!!
by umbertoecho injuly 23, 2015 at 3:35 pm.
i have just read this from berean pickets in the comment section.
it's quite a leap.
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People should learn more about the Bible flaws
by opusdei1972 ini have noted that the main problem for those who are seduced by the watchtower society is their ignorance about the bible itself.
people who believe that the bible is the word of god usually ignore the studies on textual criticism and how scientific criteria forbid absurd stories like that of the global flood.
so, i strongly believe that students in schools need at least an obligatory course on "the bible" through the point of view of science and the textual criticism.
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I will respond to the original topic:
That is my goal. I respect the bible and actually love the texts.. but as a secularist... People need to know why it says what it does.
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The Watchtower is stuck in the 1950's for science
by HowTheBibleWasCreated insure they have embraced the internet and electronic media etc.
by their science is so far off it's sad ...but understandable.. the wt published several articles in the past dealing with reletivity etc.
yes great....100 years old science today.. where are the quantum mechanic articles?
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Sure they have embraced the internet and electronic media etc. By their science is so far off it's sad ...but UNDERSTANDABLE.
The WT published several articles in the past dealing with reletivity etc. Yes great....100 years old science today.
Where are the quantum mechanic articles? Nothing... none... nadda.... My prediction... there never will be...
Quantum theory undermines EVERYTHING about reality. The WT would be forced to admit Jehovah is an undecided, hopeless juggler. Jesus (Who the WT says created everything as a master worker) would no longer be the 'way' or the 'truth' '. He would be an uncertainty. Not only that this mysterious Holy Spirit would never work anyway.
I should add there are two newer theories that relate somewhat to quantum mechanics:
1. The Multi-verse theory (Becoming mainstream in science)
Jesus died once for all time..... really.... how many times did he die once for all times. How many did did Adam take or not take a fruit.
2. The Holographic Universe (Not yet mainstream but moving up)
This theory disproves our very existance and the only possiblity of God is as a Black Hole.
Do you want to remain in a religion that MUST reject any science done in the last 60 years or so.
That includes Genetics as well.
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Try Other Religions
by Sofia Lose insometimes i get a strong curiosity to start dabbling into other religions, other faiths, you know?
really different ones such as islam, judaism, hinduism, etc.. has anyone here looked into something else?
has your spirituality been satisfied by any other than christianity?.
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I'm an atheist however I lean towards taoism and quantum mysticism...I'm short Buddism has some great wisdom as well.
I'm opne to religion IF it's based on wisdom.... not myth... eliminate the myths from the eastern religions and you are left to explore
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Foundation vs. WTS
by HowTheBibleWasCreated ini downloaed a few audiobooks awhile ago and finally tried foundation by isaac asmiov... .
not only was the story very good (my opinon)but as i go to part 3 i realized the religion created in the book was very very similar to what i know.. 1. a governing body (haring ) .
2. a religion based on knowledge (john 17:3 is quoted often but remember ... only the gb really understands it).
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I downloaed a few audiobooks awhile ago and finally tried Foundation by Isaac Asmiov...
Not only was the story very good (my opinon)but as I go to part 3 I realized the religion created in the book was very very similar to what I know.
1. A governing body (Haring )
2. A religion based on Knowledge (John 17:3 is quoted often but remember ... only the GB really understands it)
3. Technology is revealed over time to the other planets (Well thats what the GB does... reveals knowledge as they call it, over time when they want to.
4. The book has travelling priests send by Foundation to influence other planets. (Well circuit overseers)
5. The priests know the religin is false but force themselves to belive it. (Thus the elders)
6. The whole idea behind this book is that the Foundation (and it's sister city - later books) will rebuild humanity after a great fall... (Welll JWs teach this exactly)
There are other minor point. but this was very mind boggeling how close the WT comes to this book (Serries actually)
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Was The Apostle Paul Out Of His Mind? Or Just An Eccentric Megalomaniac?
by Brokeback Watchtower ini have some quotes from the new world bible from 2 cor 11&12 read them and give us your prognosis, he definitely thought very highly of himself, his vision that he received from the unconscious and inflated his ego for sure.
i'm sure this guy is over the top in his exaggerations about what he did and didn't do probably lots of denial about some of his own fraud being projected onto his boogie man rivals he sarcastically calls superfine apostles.. for i consider that i have not proved inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing.+ 6 but even if i am unskilled in speech,+ i certainly am not in knowledge; indeed we made it clear to you in every way and in everything.....12 but what i am doing i will continue to do,+ in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis* for being found equal to us in the things* about which they boast.
13 for such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of christ.+ 14 and no wonder, for satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light.+ 15 it is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness.
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Simon magus is mentioned by Josephus...
As to Paul existance try this: http://www.egodeath.com/TheFabricatedPaul.htm
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Was The Apostle Paul Out Of His Mind? Or Just An Eccentric Megalomaniac?
by Brokeback Watchtower ini have some quotes from the new world bible from 2 cor 11&12 read them and give us your prognosis, he definitely thought very highly of himself, his vision that he received from the unconscious and inflated his ego for sure.
i'm sure this guy is over the top in his exaggerations about what he did and didn't do probably lots of denial about some of his own fraud being projected onto his boogie man rivals he sarcastically calls superfine apostles.. for i consider that i have not proved inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing.+ 6 but even if i am unskilled in speech,+ i certainly am not in knowledge; indeed we made it clear to you in every way and in everything.....12 but what i am doing i will continue to do,+ in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis* for being found equal to us in the things* about which they boast.
13 for such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of christ.+ 14 and no wonder, for satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light.+ 15 it is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness.
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skeptic.... actuwhile the romans may indeed have been behind Mark it would have been later then 70ce. Chritianity started as a Logos/Salvation cult and was hinted at by Philo even.
Hebrews is a very early work of Chritisanity and where in hebrews do you see ANYTHING mentioned in the gospelsÉ Jesus is never evn on earth in Hebrews.
(If the Romans used this Jesus cult idea they likely tried to paint `Jesus return`as the coming of Emporer Titus... but thats a very deep topic)
I meant to type Apollonius of Tyre as being an insperation for the Paul story. Before Marcion we have no record of Paul or his letters...
If Paul exisited and had the power and literary quailities to write LONG letters like that why did Jospehus never mention him.... He knew every other Jewish cult leader.
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Was The Apostle Paul Out Of His Mind? Or Just An Eccentric Megalomaniac?
by Brokeback Watchtower ini have some quotes from the new world bible from 2 cor 11&12 read them and give us your prognosis, he definitely thought very highly of himself, his vision that he received from the unconscious and inflated his ego for sure.
i'm sure this guy is over the top in his exaggerations about what he did and didn't do probably lots of denial about some of his own fraud being projected onto his boogie man rivals he sarcastically calls superfine apostles.. for i consider that i have not proved inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing.+ 6 but even if i am unskilled in speech,+ i certainly am not in knowledge; indeed we made it clear to you in every way and in everything.....12 but what i am doing i will continue to do,+ in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis* for being found equal to us in the things* about which they boast.
13 for such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of christ.+ 14 and no wonder, for satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light.+ 15 it is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness.
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I don't think 'Paul' ever existed but was a litery creation of a second century church leader named Marcion. This story in 2 Coringthina 11-12 is taken alot from Simon Magus and Aollonos of Tyre. The reason for these text is ligetimize the celestrial diety Christ as having spoken to 'Paul' this making the Marcion church true to 'the gospel'..... which .BTW was heavy in gnosticism.