if you go to their bible at genesis 18: starting at verse 3 you will read that abraham sees jehovah yep sees him, with a couple of other men (angel's) then talks to him about getting water to wash his feet.
then he runs to sarah and talks to her about preparing food for jehovah.
so let me get this strait abraham sees jehovah face to face, jehovah has feet and apparently likes to eat human food too.
Genesis 18 is part of what is called the 'Yahwist text'. Yahweh can be seen, make clothes, kill animals and needs to find people in that epic.
Verse 3 'Lord' ... the hebrew is Adoni.... However.... this is 'one of the 114 discrepencies... check out the footnote in the referance bible. The NWT and the RNWT believe YHWH belongs here.
i have been perplexed as to how to brung my wife out of jws and to exit the religion... but i had an idea last night.
i know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them... not df them .. this is a sheperding call etc.. thus since my wife knows i have doubt s i could say: i want to have two brother over to discuss this ... she will agree.... of course i will hit these guys with biblical textual issues, an biology to where they are stunned and still ask... "so brothers... can you solve this conflict...?".
in this case they will not think of me as an apostate but may question their own beliefs... .
Thanks for the info all.
Avts5: I'm not a lover of god. I'm an atheist.
i have been perplexed as to how to brung my wife out of jws and to exit the religion... but i had an idea last night.
i know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them... not df them .. this is a sheperding call etc.. thus since my wife knows i have doubt s i could say: i want to have two brother over to discuss this ... she will agree.... of course i will hit these guys with biblical textual issues, an biology to where they are stunned and still ask... "so brothers... can you solve this conflict...?".
in this case they will not think of me as an apostate but may question their own beliefs... .
i have been perplexed as to how to brung my wife out of jws and to exit the religion... but i had an idea last night.
i know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them... not df them .. this is a sheperding call etc.. thus since my wife knows i have doubt s i could say: i want to have two brother over to discuss this ... she will agree.... of course i will hit these guys with biblical textual issues, an biology to where they are stunned and still ask... "so brothers... can you solve this conflict...?".
in this case they will not think of me as an apostate but may question their own beliefs... .
Well update. I have talked to my wife about my doubts (Not really doubts... I know what the facts are) and she more feels sorry for me 'having no hope'... but I told her I won't change her views unless she wants me too...
She took it all well and there is no real problem. I'm still trapped into going to meeting/service for now... but I feel less pressure.
However I still plan to meet with the elders... I don;t care as much for the outcome now she already knows. I just want to pin them down lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RLOj1tmkQg&index=3&list=PLfbxB0kKayCSZ19X7kmzCwVRE5N44EFn0
caveat 1: those who believe jesus is truly the son of god may wish to avoid this post.
although my thoughts are only proposed for mild amusement and interest and in no way intended to offend, for some, the concept behind the idea may be an affront to preciously held beliefs.
if that’s likely to be the case, kindly just don’t read.
I would take a copy of the New Testament in Greek and expose Jesus to Pilate long before he got popular.
This is of course assuming Jesus existed.
recently there is a royal bulla that was found in jerusalem, that of the judean king hezekiah on it was two egyptian ankhs and a wings sun disk.
there have been other artifacts found with that of the egyptian scarab beatle which relates to sun worship.
so does the bible give any clues to the god of the jews?.
recently there is a royal bulla that was found in jerusalem, that of the judean king hezekiah on it was two egyptian ankhs and a wings sun disk.
there have been other artifacts found with that of the egyptian scarab beatle which relates to sun worship.
so does the bible give any clues to the god of the jews?.
Some likely did worship Egyptian gods. The Omrides worshipped Yhwh ...despite what the book of Kings tells us. But yhwh was one on the 70 sons of El and likely came from south of Edom...prehaps near Egypt.
Yes the Iao issue is easy.... before the Hasmoeon dynesty I dont think there was any issue whose god you worshipped. That one family of priests took control of religion.
We know certian houses in Israel and Judah in pre exilic timnes worshipped yhwh but not as anymore then a war god.
In the Persian era yhwh was worshipped however likely zorastrainism contributed to monotheism becoming norm.
The hellenistic era prior to 150 bce was a mixed bag likely. For instance the was astatue of moses on an ass in the temple in 200bce lol
some christians explanation for evil in the world.
i came across this "serpent seed".. it claims that cain was the offspring of eve and the talking serpent (sorry i'm lmao while.
writing this) that christians much later identified as satan.
lets pretend two things:.
1. god (yhwh) exists.
2. the bible is his word.. now we follow genesis to judges ok... judges resets at chaper 17-21 but for the purposes od this posts lets ignore that.... ruth we are told lives in the time of the judges... ok no problem/ until the end.
Lets pretend two things:
1. God (YHWH) exists
2. The bible is his word.
Now we follow Genesis to Judges ok... Judges resets at chaper 17-21 but for the purposes od this posts lets ignore that...
Ruth we are told lives in the time of the judges... Ok no problem/ Until the end. She marries Boaz... Obed... Jesse David... Still just reading Genesis to Ruth we have no problem really... In fact>>>
Jews have few problems wiih the book of Ruth.
Christians do, including JWs, because of Matthew....
Matthew claims Ruth marries Boaz the son of Salmon who married Rahab. Rahab the whore (aww... does that word shock you... it's in the bible :p)
Anyway this places Ruth only one generation from the conquest. (under Joshua)... the problem is she the great grandmother of David...
Conquest: 1473-1467BCE
David born 1107 BCE
This is WT Chronology and represents 360 years. This is on average 180 years for obed and Jesse to have children. But Joshua lives 110 years and David 70... that theory dies quickly.
If Matthews genology is bad Jesus is not Shiloh ....
If Ruth is bad... who was David?
you cant have both
This BTW is very light biblical critiism... very very light...
i remember growing up preparing for the number 2 talk and reading over the verses.
one time i had a chapter in joshua to read.
i started reading and i was like "wtf?
