Atheists - How Did You Become An Atheist After Waking Up?

by pale.emperor in

i consider myself an atheist.

and right now i'm reading a lot on atheism in general (books written to answer creationists).. i'd be interested in knowing how you became an atheist after leaving the jws and how long did it take?

was it instant or did your belief in a deity gradually decline?.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I became an atheist in about a day. My whole foundation of belief was:

1. Evolution is false so god is real.

2. The bible is true so Christianity is true

3. JW have the true Christianity.

So when evidence came to me disturbing #2 I was purplexed for awhile trying to firgue out how to deal with it but decided to go to the basicsstep 1 I went on the internet and looked for 100% proof of evoloution. I decided if I couldn't find 100% proof or if their were holes in the logic I would close my mind to what i had discovered.

After ERVs and Chromosome 2 were discovered on the internet that evening and tracing all the evidence for them I rejected God and the bible that night. No question.

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Did You Ever Luke ANY Songs From The “Songbook “?

by minimus in

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i went on line looking for old jw songs and some of them were pretty good and some were just awful!.

did you ever like any of those songs?

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HowTheBibleWasCreated

I liked two.

The old Nazirite song (128) I think as a teen my and another teen JW kid used to sing Nazi reich of can we be like them can we act like then today lol Just being dub teens But today I think of this somg and sing the orginal lyrics while remember the deeds of the Nazirites... like ripping lions apart and hacking Agag to pieces etc. The song makes more sense that way.

I did like the Loyal Love song.

"Hey their all you thirsty ones come and a have a beer with me. Let's come drink you theirsty ones...down at the bar for free." <<< (Not my lyrics an elder told me this one lol)

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Are there close parallels between Deuteronomy 32:8, Genesis 10 and the Ugaritic tablets?

by I_love_Jeff in

according to these sources (city of ancient ugaritic tablets found in 1928) , elyon divided up all the nations into seventy nations, one for each of his sons (elim) .

sons of god makes the most sense than the sons of israel-deut.

32:8 especially since there was no nation of israel listed in the table of nations.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

The text at Duet 32 says when the MOST HIGH El Elyon separated the people of the earth he set their boundaries according to the number of the Israelites... for YHWH's prtion is his people... I'm paraphrasing but note that El is the top dog... YHWH is the god of Israel and you could apply this to any nation in the area ... say Moab>>>

>>When El Elyon separated the people he set their number according to the Moabites for Chemosh's portion is his people. etc.<<

This is a fairly early text (likely exilic) that portrays El as top god and YHWH as on of his 70 sons.

As for the Genesis 10 reference this is a table of nations and the story is similar to what you have seen only YHWH is doing the dividing.This text is quite a bit later noting the Grecian names contained.

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Will Artificial Intellegence Make The Human Race Extinct?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think it is inevitable.

i don't worry about it but it just seems that the human race is going down a road that they can't make a turn off.. they are probing/discovering how the human mind works and produces intelligence down to the individual molecule.

now with the invention of the super quantum computer soon we will be able to build even better artificial intelligence greater than our own, so it will be easily able to out smart us because will we be a bunch of dumb apes first discovering how to make fire in it's eyes.. it will have it's own different agendas than us humans.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

micheo kaku has often pointed out that quantum computing as told us 5x3 is 15... wow... we have a ways t go.

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Jesus—a real, historical person

by Ireneus in

jesus was a real and historical person (not the way jws or the rest of the people think him to be) because of the following historical facts:.

1) the fact that the most influential political establishment of that time (roman empire) was convinced that jesus’ name would sell to suit their political agenda (to promote slavery) shows that jesus was as historical as roman empire itself; hence they implanted slavery-friendly verses into the bible as though spoken by jesus (such as mathew 5:39, 41; 24:45 ..etc) this was in contrast to the real personality jesus really was—he was a man of courage, who ‘walked alone to do what is right if those invited refused to accompany him.’ when his family and disciples were fond of sleeping, his delight was to spend early morning hours alone, in meditation, with god to the extent he could say he was “one” with qualities of god.

(mark 1:35; john 8:1, 2; 10:30) such a person would naturally be too famous and too crowd-pulling against whom even the influential people were helpless even when they were whipped out of the temple which reminds us of “hollywood rambo style” merely because of his moral authority (not that he had any supernatural powers to perform miracles).. 2) similarly, emerging religion (apostate christianity) too knew they could misuse the name of jesus to serve its commercial agenda.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Philo celebrated the Passover with Herod in Jerusalem several years in the 30s... like when Jesus was brought before Herod... Philo never heard of Jesus and he was in the same room.... nope.

There WAS a preacher named Jesus who was a prophet in the Jewish War who died from a rock crushing him... Thats likely the only historical Jesus I will point to.

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Looking For Your Words of Wisdom and Encouragement

by new boy in

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this one seems to sum up what religious ideologies have given the world.. i have very deeply looked into the endless destruction and genocide that religious ideologies and dogma have inflicted upon human beings.

i have seen how damaged human souls are, how deeply depressive, meaningless, and prone to exploitation are the lives that many live.

religious dogma is at the root of this epidemic meaninglessness.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I have twisted the meaning of 1 Cornthian 1:22 The Jew 9relgious people) require a sign... yeah the supernatural... the Greek (thinking people) seek wisdom. Yeah you keep doing that and anything not proven that seems beyond the natural world IS part of the natural world you just don't understand it yet wait a few decades.

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How did ancients know entire Earth was covered by water?

by Bad_Wolf in

entire world used to be covered by water.

i am not talking about the 'great flood', but on earth's formation itself.

the bible talks about earth being only water and then god making dry land appear.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I don't know who says the world was covered with water 4.4 billion years ago but that is unlikely since the world was in formation.. think cascading impacts and a molten mess. Also 4.2 billion years ago any dry land was obliterated when the moon was formed by collision ...

The author of Genesis 1 uses a Greco-Mesopotamian model which always starts with water

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A weird nut funny voice in the JW dramas

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

many who have been a jw since the 70- 80s remember the jw dramas coming out yearly.. today they are movies but to the topic.... many of the voice actors are the same.. one however is plain odd.. lets list his roles as i remember:.

the exodus drama: janes.

gideon drama: an anger worshiper of baal.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

BTW you can add Doeg the Edomite to the list of Joel Adams i noted that today. (I noticed the drama voices since I have downloaded then and fused them together with audacity for my wife (still a witness) and find many of them very humorous. (Try the channel Watchtower Radio on youtube).

Anyway i notice that Job in the new RNWT audio has a reader for Bildad is the same reader as the drama actor for Joshua Job 8. Wonder what his name is. We have already IDed two voices...The voice of Jehovah would be nice.. he had a weird accent through the bass effect

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The Dead Sea Scrolls - did the Qmran sect influence Jesus and the early Christians?

by fulltimestudent in

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the small sect that lived in the qmran area (and who 'owned' the documents known as the dead sea scrolls), is important if we want to understand the religious thinking in the form of judaism practised in the first century ce, and therefore the starting point for the development of early christianity.. what did jesus know about the essenes who were at least in some sort of association with that sect?.

if early judaism was truly monotheistic, how can we relate some of these thoughts to that concept?.

from document iiq17 viii: "they bless and praise the god of gods ..." (note the translators(geza vermes) use of a capital g, why did he decide to use a capital.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I will go a step further and say that the beginning Essenes produced Daniel and the Book of Enoch both works influenced Christianity

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A weird nut funny voice in the JW dramas

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

many who have been a jw since the 70- 80s remember the jw dramas coming out yearly.. today they are movies but to the topic.... many of the voice actors are the same.. one however is plain odd.. lets list his roles as i remember:.

the exodus drama: janes.

gideon drama: an anger worshiper of baal.

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