Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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The Marcionite Hypothesis

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i'm still working on the hebrew bible for my book but looking ahead most of my research had fallen into place as i take month off from research., when it come to the nt most people accept what is commonly called markian priority.

this common theory says that mark was written in 70 ad and then a saying gospel of jesus called q was combined with this to make matthew and luke sometimes around 100 ad.

john as later.

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To Sea Breeze:

Around 8 mins in he says most scholars agree Jesus died around 30/33CE. However Dr. Habernas seems unaware that many Christian texts place Jesus either later or often earlier then the first century.

Wow his statement at 940 or so that Alexander's sources at in the 300s CE is vomit. The Alexander Romance is early second century BCE

At 1030 he throw's out the apostle Paul bone. This is not one I follow. Robert Price and other scholars have already debunked the idea of a historical Paul long ago.

https://www.jesusneverexisted.com/saul-paul.htm

Just after 11min he pulls out Galatians (I answered this in my original post) and 1 Corinthians. The fact is neither of these letters or any other is from an early date. The earliest NT manuscript is a piece of John

"I give you what I was given." Marcion goes back to Cerdo and then Simon Mangus.

Around 1220 we get the 55CE date. Sorry this is based on Acts a very late document as I showed in the original post. We cannot use Acts to date Paul's letters. From here I won't go further. The argument is flawed from the beginning.

To Phizzy. Many scholars are accepting this now. There are books about the mythical Paul ect. I will be using much of this when I get to the NT in my book.

My book will be geared towards people like me who have become atheist but want to understand how this book came into existence. To do that I am not going to cement myself in late 19th and 20th century scholarship since they rarely challenge the trends, (Thus a cult of their own). Working with recent scholars I have found that instead of arguing about gospel placement or why certain pieces of JEPD are fragmentary I can be free of these mindsets and everything falls into place logically.

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The Marcionite Hypothesis

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i'm still working on the hebrew bible for my book but looking ahead most of my research had fallen into place as i take month off from research., when it come to the nt most people accept what is commonly called markian priority.

this common theory says that mark was written in 70 ad and then a saying gospel of jesus called q was combined with this to make matthew and luke sometimes around 100 ad.

john as later.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I'm still working on the Hebrew bible for my book but looking ahead most of my research had fallen into place as I take month off from research., When it come to the NT most people accept what is commonly called Markian priority.

This common theory says that Mark was written in 70 AD and then a saying gospel of Jesus called Q was combined with this to make Matthew and Luke sometimes around 100 AD. John as later. I call this.... BS

Around 120 -140 AD a theology went around a man named Marcion that preache3ed a gospel of Gnosticism. Simply put his gospel was quite cool and better then the one JWs or Fundamental Christians believe.

There was a high supreme God. From him (Or her if she is Sophia) proceeded many demigods one of which was YHWH. He made the world and yeah.. it's f***ed up. But that because he's a secondary god. And the OT was true.

Marcion said Jesus was a being who popped into existence (Like the Gospel of John) and preached a very Gnostic message and then died to return to the high god thus opening up the knowledge for us to attain salvation. But what would the Marcionite group follow for a canon of scripture.

Well Maricon claimed he 'found' Galatians.Uh... ok. He wrote it. Fine, His canon was:

Gospel of the Lord (A proto- Luke) and the following ten letters of the so-called Paul:

All of these were shorted then today's version and of course had different authors such as 2 Thess and others in the community,

The problem was in 136 AD a revolt by Jews in Jerusalem over a temple built ti Jupiter lead to a famous revolt by the Jews.

Where as Marcion's gospel describes the temple destruction of 70 CE the Gospel of Mark takes the basic items of the former gospel (Judaizes it) and makes it fast, apocalyptical and adds a feature in Mark 13. (The abnodation of desolation from the book of Daniel) Thus Mark dates not from 70 but 136.

Matthew uses Mark and Marcion but changes the order to make Jesus the Jewish messiah,.This is very anti Marcionite gospel. likely from the 140s and Justin Martyr knows of it in 160.

So what about Luke or Acts? Well that's so easy and obvious it is mind-boggling no one saw it. Luke starts with:

...it seemed good to me also, having traced the course of all things accurately from the first, to write to you in order, most excellent Theophilus.. Luke 1:3 and Acts 1:1 The first book I wrote, Theophilus, concerned all that Jesus began both to do and to teach,

'Most excellent Theophilus'? ... Like the bishop Theophilus in 170-185ad or so. The ame guy that wanted a history of Christianity written. // Oh yeah he got it.

Yes the Synoptic Gospels are second century by this model and every other model I tried failed quickly. John predates Marcion but it's a Logos cult that produced it. John likely is around 100 or so.

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So What Religion do You Claim to be when Entering Hospital?

by mikronboy in

i've had a few medical procedures.

once, i had a massive loss of blood and needed 6 units of blood to replace the loss.

however, i'm curious as to what ex's state to be their religion when filling out the required paperwork when being admitted into a hospital.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I might be minority by I feel that medical staff have 1. No business to know your religion 2. Act without any consent when it comes to saving your life.

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Jesus-------What were you thinking!

by pistolpete in

most of the sermon on the mount, matthew 5-7 - is bizarre, vague or barbaric.

it actually smacks stupidity and not wisdom..

if you lust after a woman, you’ve committed adultery (thought crime) .

HowTheBibleWasCreated

There is not a single word in the sermon on the mount that is not found in teh the Old Testament, Talmud or the writing of eastern religions

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looking for Jw infomation about the bible being changed etc?

by Aposta-Fish in

in one of mike and kim's latest videos they claim that the borg wrote in the 1960's that the book of revelations wasn't even finished until a much later date.

they have also stated that apostate christians changed the bible> i've also read years ago they trashed the bible or at least the king james years ago after another one of their fail predictions and right before they made their own bible> .

i'm looking for these writings and any other that where the borg is criticizing the bible?.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Dou a valid point and the best answer I can give is that they used the ASV just prior to 1950 so that the switchover to the NWT was not much of a shock,

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Have you ever tried Tai Chi? How do you like it?

by Iamallcool in

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I know this is an old post but I'll bring it up. I do this every morning and evening the last few weeks and have found I feel far more relaxed, more happy, have quicker reactions and above all better balance.

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Reading the Watchtower publications will give you an university education.

by Overrated in

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the watchtower said that reading their stuff would get you a college education.

can anyone recall that gem?

my parents sure bought into that crap.

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To be honest the Awakes from the 50s 60s and 70s were full of practical info. But in the 80s they lost that slowly and now the magazines are a joke.

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The three categories of reality

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

before i start out let me tell everyone i'm an atheist and have been since i first started seeing the bible was not the word of god.

if someone asked my religion today i would likely answer daoist which teaches balance and non-action of events or to put in modern language 'go with the flow man'.

that being said i have over the last decade started catering certain beliefs and facts into three sections.. 1. the known.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Before I start out let me tell everyone I'm an atheist and have been since I first started seeing the bible was not the word of god. If someone asked my religion today i would likely answer Daoist which teaches balance and non-action of events or to put in modern language 'go with the flow man'

That being said I have over the last decade started catering certain beliefs and facts into three sections.

1. The Known. This basically we call science even if it sometimes makes no sense (Ex. Entanglement)

2. The False. Such as Creationism or Resurrections of the dead.

3. The Unknown. This is a careful section. If one was for instance to try to include and afterlife here I would counter by saying only IF that is not contradicted by science. What this means is Atlantis might or might not have existed or maybe their are aliens in this galaxy just as intelligent as us. Or maybe we live in a simulation. Note that every single one of these doesn't change your life or morals.

The ones that JWs believe in #2 do make the enslavement and blood transfusion and poor education a side effect. Category 1 does change your life too actually. But almost always in a good way. For instance If your smart enough not to be a flat-earther then you note going to imagine that the navigator in your car is of the devil.

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My new definition of cult.

by Yomama in

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forcing someone to believe something that is untrure and shunning them if they do not believe it.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I actually agree with Lloyd Evans when he says all organized religions are cults but there is a large scale between your community church and Scientology or between the Sikh Temple and the Mormon temple. Anytime someone has an idea that they they must be ruled by a deity a cult will form. It might be light or (For JWs) it might be heavy.

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Anybody Here That Still Wouldn’t Take or Give Blood?

by minimus in

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i would think that the first thing to go for ex jws is the blood ban.

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would you take a transfusion or give blood now!.

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I would say it would be a last resort. I mean if it's life threatening. But if it is relatively safe I would prefer alternatives.