Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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Which school of thought is right about How long were the Israelite's in Egypt 215 or 430 years?

by terrypike in

a lot is out there about how long the israelite's were in egypt which can be devided into two schools of thought, those for bishop ushers 215 model or the ex 12: model which stays faithful to the 430 years to the very day ex 12:41 the israelite's left egypt.. historically the dispute goes back a long way at least to the time of jophesus who advocated the view that the isarelites were in canaan before they entered egypt true enough when taken at face value, but look more closely at what the bible says about when jacobs name was changed to israel and then ask the question is there any evidence in the bible that israel was used for the decendent's of abram, isaac or jacob before god changed the name of 97 year old jacob to israel?

a jw i invited to research this confirmed none could be found so that done it remains to look again at the definitions 'decendents' and 'israelite's' to further clarify.. the 400 years affliction as in gen 15: speaks of the decendents of abram only, nowhere does it say anything about the israelites, ex 12: on the other hand refers to the israelite's who came out of egypt 430 years to the very day and says nothing about the decendent's of abram so ex 12: is referring to 'israel' the decendent's of jacob not the decendent's of abram.

consider here that isaac the first born of the line of the promise and a decendent of abraham, died 180 years of age never having set foot in egypt, 10 years before 130 year old jacob/israel entered to reunite the tribal family's as one people, so by no stretch of the imagination can isaac be confused with the israelite's as is so easy to do when the ex 12: 430 year timeline is tied back to the days of abraham as is advocated by the bishop usher model that argues the israelite's were only in egypt 215 years.. gal 3: can be a problem only when read in isolation of other texts, use the same procedure as you would if someone said there was a contradiction with the gospels saying different things and ask them to read all four gospels to get the full picture, like wise with gal 3: which appears to be saying, by itself, that there are only 430 years between the circumcision covenant and the law covenant , read gen 47: and acts 7: to get a more complete picture of what paul has not said about 130 year old jacob's entry into egypt in the second year of famine.. to get the age of jacob start with 30 year old josephs age when he stood before the ruler of egypt and add the 9 year total of 7 years plenty plus two years famine which makes joseph 39, then take josephs 39 years off the age of 130 year old jacob to get 91 the age of jacob when joseph is born as jacob completes his 7 years work with laban for rachael.. jacob then agreed to work on for the beasts and he confirms he had worked a total of 20 years when laban caught up with him: 7 for leah, 7 for rachael, and 6 for the beasts.gen 31:38-41.. the key question when talking with jw's is how old was jacob when his name was changed, ask the questions and let them confirm from the book they trust what it really teaches.. terry.

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The exodus was not part of jewish traditrion until AFTER 400 BCE .. we have records from that time of jews in Egyot that were very henotheistic...

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Please Focus on the Bible

by terrypike in

hi people, may i firstly thank those who have responded to to my intro article, i am replying to you all as a new topic because the direct messaging is not working for me at the moment so i can clarify my perspective on bible study.

yes there are many arguments that are put forward to demonstrate for example that the bible has been composed of numerous preexisting creation story's ect, my focus is to give the bible the same opportunity to defend itself as anyone reasonably expects if charged with some crime they are not guilty of.. i find for example the account of jesus response when questioned about the divorce certificate 'but it was not so in the beginning' confirms that moses allowed changes to be made to the original, that said consider also the religious traditions moses people had been exposed to, the story of the god enki who seduced even his own grandchildren and the well known incest of the egyptian royalty, given the genetic cost, are such practices any more right now than they were then?

communities that practice close relative marriages today are well documented for there higher risk of numerous health problems so how would you find moses on that basis, guilty or not guilty as jesus did because he understood why moses took the creation story's of other cultures and gave his people there own creation story that taught them to avoid the general pagan practice of incest.before looking any deeper at moses creation story may i also ask the question why does jesus knowing that god promised he would never again destroy the world by a flood as he did in noah's day say 'as in the days of noah ..the flood came and took them all away' so what did jesus actually mean mt 24:.

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Village Idiot I'm glad you brought the LXX up... yes it is a shocking read in 1 King of the Septuagint to find that Jeroboam the son of Nebat was Egyptian...:p

Or even more that the earliest Septuagints never had any book other then Dueteronomy...*gasp*

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Please Focus on the Bible

by terrypike in

hi people, may i firstly thank those who have responded to to my intro article, i am replying to you all as a new topic because the direct messaging is not working for me at the moment so i can clarify my perspective on bible study.

yes there are many arguments that are put forward to demonstrate for example that the bible has been composed of numerous preexisting creation story's ect, my focus is to give the bible the same opportunity to defend itself as anyone reasonably expects if charged with some crime they are not guilty of.. i find for example the account of jesus response when questioned about the divorce certificate 'but it was not so in the beginning' confirms that moses allowed changes to be made to the original, that said consider also the religious traditions moses people had been exposed to, the story of the god enki who seduced even his own grandchildren and the well known incest of the egyptian royalty, given the genetic cost, are such practices any more right now than they were then?

communities that practice close relative marriages today are well documented for there higher risk of numerous health problems so how would you find moses on that basis, guilty or not guilty as jesus did because he understood why moses took the creation story's of other cultures and gave his people there own creation story that taught them to avoid the general pagan practice of incest.before looking any deeper at moses creation story may i also ask the question why does jesus knowing that god promised he would never again destroy the world by a flood as he did in noah's day say 'as in the days of noah ..the flood came and took them all away' so what did jesus actually mean mt 24:.

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This concept is sound in that the bible is part of western civilization and yes every high school should teach it as...literature along with shakespeare, Homer etc.

That being said this is NOT a book with any credability.. the most accurate book in the bible is 2 Kings and even that is only 10% reliable...

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Spock is dead

by hoser in

jw
friends

leonard nimoy is no longer with us

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Spock's character opened up the gateway to overcoing sterotypes and racial discrimination....

(True Uhura, Checkov and Sulu we not white ...l but Spock as an alien was unique at the time...

Later of course thi idea of the racial diversity evolved so much in star trek that voyager had numerous races and species...

To ex-JWs

Mr. Nimoy butchered Numbers 6... Did anyone guess that the priestly blessing and the end of the chapter made it's way into the Vulcan greeting...lol

The Vulcan Salute shows the Hebrew letter Shin which to be honest can be W or V... i think...

Yeah JW spock was saying God's name all through lol.

Now to be serious...This man left a big hole to be filled...

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When did you realize evolution was true?

by Coded Logic in

) which person/source first made you reconsider your position on creationism?.

) how long a period of time did it take to fully convince you?.

) what books and videos did you read and watch?.

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Well this was simple. I read a book that portrayed 19th century schoolership on the bible (wrong mostly) but still showing the two genesis accounts as babylonian legends the proof was strong so I decided I would debunk it by finding absolute proof evolution was wrong!!!!

That nigt I found an ERV video and my faith was dead... gone poof... Chromosome #2 came up next and that was it.

Now I hate the GB since they know this. They are just moneymakers.

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Andromeda awaits the "Great Crowd of Other Sheep"

by Doug Mason in

the great crowd, the other sheep will live forever on planet earth.. years will move from centuries, millennia, and millions of years to billions of years.

after 4 billion years, the sky will fill as their milky way galaxy and its neighbouring andomeda galaxy collide, with amazing changes in gravitational forces.

what an amazing sight!.

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Some facts here are not reality. Fist the colision with Andromeda will likely not even affect Earth.

Second as far as the sun goes yes in a billion year it will be hotter but not boiling as shown... evn if though... 1 billion years... why would humanity still be on Earth?? think about it...

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Victoria/Vancouver/Seattle

by happysunshine in

hey everyone!.

i live in victoria (canada).

anyone in my area?

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I live an hour north of victoria.

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Does God of the Israelites get his butt kicked!?? 2Kings 3:21-27

by Crazyguy in

in the bible at 2kings 3:21-27 the israelites have gone out to attack the moabites with allies.

the moabites think that the israelites have already been in a fight because they see what they think is blood in the water, so they attack.

they were wrong and the israelites are kicking their butts all back across their land.

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The Mesha Stele speaks very harshly of Yahweh and Israel.

The putting of a son to death was normal procedure for aid from the gods then.. sadly...

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Were Daniel and Jeremiah contemporaries?

by shotgun in

i've recently read who wrote the gospels, it mentioned on a side note from the gospels that daniel was probably written around 200 bce not during nebuchadnezzars reign.. in daniel chapter 9 he mentions reading the phophetic words of jeremiah about the 70 years of servitude.

jeremiah lived in a different land (judah) while daniel was in babylon.

how would daniel have been able to get jeremiahs scrolls seeing they had just been written and also the position daniel was in as chief of nebuchadnezzars magic practising priests would not have bode well for real jewish worshippers to think about making any saturday morning placements with him.. the book i read states that jeremiah, daniel and most of the other books seperate from the talmud were not canonized until around 200 bce.. any thoughts on this or have you done or read anything on this subject.

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I will leave you all with some new schoolarship then. Many are now questioning the book of Ezekiel..... Some feel it might even date after Daniel but because it is an Aaronic-Levitcal book it would have been accepted by the Maccabean dynesty. Daniel a crude book of cowards would have been rejected.

As for Ben Sura's referances I find it funny...200 BC?.... Not likely the guy Jesus son of Sirach is placed around 180 BC however it is his GRANDSON who wrote the book... I would say Sirach is around 150.

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Judges 19-21

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

most witnesses never read this much.

sad they don't.

it is the most horrific chapters of the bible and as such my favorites for slapping other jw s with.. to summerize.:.

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Most witnesses never read this much. Sad they don't. It is the most horrific chapters of the bible and as such my favorites for slapping other JW s with.

To summerize.:

A Levite man has a concubine and she runs away to her father. He chases here there and stays several nights. Later they depart but since it's getting dark they stay in Gibeah of Bejamen (If anyone connects this story to saul they are right it is a propaganda against Saul). An old man lets then stay by men surround the house and ask to rape the Levite. (Homosexuality). The guy refuses and throws his concubine out and she in gang raped all night long.

In the mornign he find her layign at the door dead. Does he mourn... NO he cut her up into twelve pieces and send he into all Israel as a message thus apparently causing and army to be riled together.

Ask a JW so far what they see moral about this?

As a histiran myself I see Jewish proganda trying to denounce Saul but lets go on.

The men of Israel order Benjamin to surender the sons of Beliel to then m (BTW the NWT horribly mistranslates that phrase!)

They insteed chose war and war for 3 days killing thousand of their brothers.... Where is Jehovah. Apparetley drunk until Phnehas wakes him up on the third day, then Jehovah tells them: "Do what Joshua did.l. set and ambush"... well not the words.. but the idea is the same....

So they do and win but as typical they kill everyone.. men, women, babies even animals. 600 escape.

They then try to find wives for the 600 but at this point read 21 for yourselves. ..

Use these texts as you would to debunk JW morality.. but for me they are Hellenistic apolgetics for the Saul story to show why he was a bad King.