Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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Removal of Tetragrammaton from Early Greek Manuscripts

by jhine in

a while ago i posted on another thread that i had been told by some witnesses that the tetragrammaton had been in the original christian greek scriptures but had been removed when apostacy came into the church .

i did not know where this came from at the time .however while looking something else up i came across this .as i could not find the original thread i have started a new one .here is a quote from nwt reference edition 1984 :-.

" matthew made more than a hundred quotations from the inspired hebrew scriptures.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

There are NO versions of Matthew with the Tetragrammation in it (Except for more modern Hebrew translations)

This post is a copy from the back of the 1984 Referance Bible NWT.

None of the Gospels likely had the name of YHWH in them. All were Greek. Even John which comes for an early Jewish Messianic cult is in Greek.

The CUSTOM of the time is actually after 70CE was to not use the name YHWH i the Greek texts. Version of the LXX after this time don't use it and neither does the NT. The only exception of Revelation which contains a quote for Ps 104:35 4 times in chapter 19 BUT this this is in Greek charecters as the word Halleiujah

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The borrowed magic of the memorial

by Half banana in

myth comes from myth and ritual comes from ritual.

myth and ritual are borrowed in the way fire is borrowed to light another flame.

john 6:53 says that whoever does not eat (jesus) body and drink his blood will have no life in him.

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The last supper or lords evening meal is NOT based on John 6. John is Jewish-Messianic Savior Gospel.... 1 Corinthinas 11 which introduces the Bread & Wine cerimony makes it clear that this is a meal a visonary Paul and Jesus share BASED on normal church meals... the two are NOT related... Futher although the Jesus stories draws on many pagan ideas... It was started by a text called the Ascesion of Isaiah.... A Jewish-Savior story based itself on Plato's idea of the Logos...

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The plague, livestock. Question

by James Mixon in

sorry if this have been covered.

exodus 9;6-7 and exodus 9:19-25.. livestock killed twice by god??

contradiction?

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Two different authors... Exodus is a patchwork of stories...

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Ever Think About This One? Another Bible Contradiction

by freemindfade in

8you must not make for yourself a carved image+ or a form* like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.-deuteronomy 5:8. .

18 you are to make two cherubs of gold; you will make them of hammered work on the two ends of the cover.+ 19 make the cherubs on the two ends, one cherub on each end of the cover.

20 the cherubs are to spread out their two wings upward, overshadowing the cover with their wings,+ and they will face each other.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Two diferent authors... i see no problem..

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How many of you still believe in God or are still Christians?

by JWCartPusher in

hello, i asked a new but old friend how many people are still christians after leaving the watchtower's mind control agency, for statistical purposes do you mind if i do a survey and see how many of you are believers?.

please don't post if your not a believer out of respect for this poll, we need to sharpen each other's sword and help build each other up and meet new friends over the internet with faith in god or some other force of the universe.

i asked another person how we can still manage our faith after getting burned by the high group mind control, he had a few ideas but he's not really involved with god because of how life burned him.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Since other athiests commented here I will too..

I started as a real believer in JW religion and Jehovah. Once the Documentary Hypothsis was put to me in a book and the evidence of Babylonian text word per word the same as Genesis I went to see if evolution could be true when i found 100% proof I was done with belief... (See my other posts)

I was Agnostic as I know the god of the bible was false but hey all is possible... as the years have passed though I would say seeing the giraffe dissected and Prof. Dawkins showing us the stupidious arrangement finished my agnosticism... I'm an atheist.

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What would happen if life was found elsewhere?

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

see jws have said time and again jesus died once for all time... a quote from hebrews.

okay rule out humn-like aliens what about animals plants and microbes... i once had a hot fight with an elder when i still believed that here was no reason to doubt alien animals etc.

yet not based on any wt article witnesses reject this often.. lets suppose say in a month microbes are found on ceres (i doubt it will happen but let's roll with it) they are living as much as our cells are and reporduce... okay what would mother say in the magazines when millions of jehovah's witnesses demand to know why jehovah created microbes on a dwarf planet?.

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See JWs have said time and again Jesus died once for all time... A quote from Hebrews.

Okay rule out humn-like aliens what about animals plants and microbes... I once had a hot fight with an elder when I still believed that here was no reason to doubt alien animals etc. Yet NOT based on any WT article witnesses reject this often.

Lets suppose say in a month microbes are found on Ceres (I doubt it will happen but let's roll with it) They are living as much as our cells are and reporduce... okay what would MOTHER say in the magazines when millions of Jehovah's Witnesses demand to know why Jehovah created microbes on a dwarf planet?

Curious

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Which school of thought is right about How long were the Israelite's in Egypt 215 or 430 years?

by terrypike in

a lot is out there about how long the israelite's were in egypt which can be devided into two schools of thought, those for bishop ushers 215 model or the ex 12: model which stays faithful to the 430 years to the very day ex 12:41 the israelite's left egypt.. historically the dispute goes back a long way at least to the time of jophesus who advocated the view that the isarelites were in canaan before they entered egypt true enough when taken at face value, but look more closely at what the bible says about when jacobs name was changed to israel and then ask the question is there any evidence in the bible that israel was used for the decendent's of abram, isaac or jacob before god changed the name of 97 year old jacob to israel?

a jw i invited to research this confirmed none could be found so that done it remains to look again at the definitions 'decendents' and 'israelite's' to further clarify.. the 400 years affliction as in gen 15: speaks of the decendents of abram only, nowhere does it say anything about the israelites, ex 12: on the other hand refers to the israelite's who came out of egypt 430 years to the very day and says nothing about the decendent's of abram so ex 12: is referring to 'israel' the decendent's of jacob not the decendent's of abram.

consider here that isaac the first born of the line of the promise and a decendent of abraham, died 180 years of age never having set foot in egypt, 10 years before 130 year old jacob/israel entered to reunite the tribal family's as one people, so by no stretch of the imagination can isaac be confused with the israelite's as is so easy to do when the ex 12: 430 year timeline is tied back to the days of abraham as is advocated by the bishop usher model that argues the israelite's were only in egypt 215 years.. gal 3: can be a problem only when read in isolation of other texts, use the same procedure as you would if someone said there was a contradiction with the gospels saying different things and ask them to read all four gospels to get the full picture, like wise with gal 3: which appears to be saying, by itself, that there are only 430 years between the circumcision covenant and the law covenant , read gen 47: and acts 7: to get a more complete picture of what paul has not said about 130 year old jacob's entry into egypt in the second year of famine.. to get the age of jacob start with 30 year old josephs age when he stood before the ruler of egypt and add the 9 year total of 7 years plenty plus two years famine which makes joseph 39, then take josephs 39 years off the age of 130 year old jacob to get 91 the age of jacob when joseph is born as jacob completes his 7 years work with laban for rachael.. jacob then agreed to work on for the beasts and he confirms he had worked a total of 20 years when laban caught up with him: 7 for leah, 7 for rachael, and 6 for the beasts.gen 31:38-41.. the key question when talking with jw's is how old was jacob when his name was changed, ask the questions and let them confirm from the book they trust what it really teaches.. terry.

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The exodus was not part of jewish traditrion until AFTER 400 BCE .. we have records from that time of jews in Egyot that were very henotheistic...

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Please Focus on the Bible

by terrypike in

hi people, may i firstly thank those who have responded to to my intro article, i am replying to you all as a new topic because the direct messaging is not working for me at the moment so i can clarify my perspective on bible study.

yes there are many arguments that are put forward to demonstrate for example that the bible has been composed of numerous preexisting creation story's ect, my focus is to give the bible the same opportunity to defend itself as anyone reasonably expects if charged with some crime they are not guilty of.. i find for example the account of jesus response when questioned about the divorce certificate 'but it was not so in the beginning' confirms that moses allowed changes to be made to the original, that said consider also the religious traditions moses people had been exposed to, the story of the god enki who seduced even his own grandchildren and the well known incest of the egyptian royalty, given the genetic cost, are such practices any more right now than they were then?

communities that practice close relative marriages today are well documented for there higher risk of numerous health problems so how would you find moses on that basis, guilty or not guilty as jesus did because he understood why moses took the creation story's of other cultures and gave his people there own creation story that taught them to avoid the general pagan practice of incest.before looking any deeper at moses creation story may i also ask the question why does jesus knowing that god promised he would never again destroy the world by a flood as he did in noah's day say 'as in the days of noah ..the flood came and took them all away' so what did jesus actually mean mt 24:.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Village Idiot I'm glad you brought the LXX up... yes it is a shocking read in 1 King of the Septuagint to find that Jeroboam the son of Nebat was Egyptian...:p

Or even more that the earliest Septuagints never had any book other then Dueteronomy...*gasp*

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Please Focus on the Bible

by terrypike in

hi people, may i firstly thank those who have responded to to my intro article, i am replying to you all as a new topic because the direct messaging is not working for me at the moment so i can clarify my perspective on bible study.

yes there are many arguments that are put forward to demonstrate for example that the bible has been composed of numerous preexisting creation story's ect, my focus is to give the bible the same opportunity to defend itself as anyone reasonably expects if charged with some crime they are not guilty of.. i find for example the account of jesus response when questioned about the divorce certificate 'but it was not so in the beginning' confirms that moses allowed changes to be made to the original, that said consider also the religious traditions moses people had been exposed to, the story of the god enki who seduced even his own grandchildren and the well known incest of the egyptian royalty, given the genetic cost, are such practices any more right now than they were then?

communities that practice close relative marriages today are well documented for there higher risk of numerous health problems so how would you find moses on that basis, guilty or not guilty as jesus did because he understood why moses took the creation story's of other cultures and gave his people there own creation story that taught them to avoid the general pagan practice of incest.before looking any deeper at moses creation story may i also ask the question why does jesus knowing that god promised he would never again destroy the world by a flood as he did in noah's day say 'as in the days of noah ..the flood came and took them all away' so what did jesus actually mean mt 24:.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

This concept is sound in that the bible is part of western civilization and yes every high school should teach it as...literature along with shakespeare, Homer etc.

That being said this is NOT a book with any credability.. the most accurate book in the bible is 2 Kings and even that is only 10% reliable...

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Spock is dead

by hoser in

jw
friends

leonard nimoy is no longer with us

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Spock's character opened up the gateway to overcoing sterotypes and racial discrimination....

(True Uhura, Checkov and Sulu we not white ...l but Spock as an alien was unique at the time...

Later of course thi idea of the racial diversity evolved so much in star trek that voyager had numerous races and species...

To ex-JWs

Mr. Nimoy butchered Numbers 6... Did anyone guess that the priestly blessing and the end of the chapter made it's way into the Vulcan greeting...lol

The Vulcan Salute shows the Hebrew letter Shin which to be honest can be W or V... i think...

Yeah JW spock was saying God's name all through lol.

Now to be serious...This man left a big hole to be filled...