Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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Try To Be Less White

by minimus in

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that’s what coca-cola is telling their employees.

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this is ridiculous!.

Why do some people who were trapped in the WT and wake up, still believe in the Bible God who allowed them to be deceived for years.

by pistolpete in

why do some people who were trapped in the wt and wake up after much frustration and anger that they were lied to, still believe in the bible god who allowed them and their families to be deceived and trapped for years.

i have an acquaintance who is a lot older than me and for the past 30 years he has been out of the watchtower religion and is sola scriptura.

sola scriptura is a theological doctrine that posits the christian scriptures as the sole infallible source of authority for christian faith and practice.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

The fact is that being open to JW beliefs make a person open to another belief similar if they leave for reasons that are based on emotions or scriptural error by the WT. Ray Franz comes to mind as well as some here.

Before you list Jehovah's horrible acts I personally would lead a person to the oldest mention of him.... As a desert God of the Shashu people. In fact the archaic Jah or YHW is a throwback. The israelites only pickled up worship of YHWH very late likely after 900 bce judging by the name of Ahab's children

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What's up with the demonic avatar?

by Repent in

why does the j-w forums have a demonic avatar as starting avatar?

why would a biblical religion even consider having demonic images included, in any of their content?.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

WTF? I mean what year is this 1600? This is likely the same person that claims they can find demonic images in the WT literature. The avatars on this forum that are default are not demonic they are insects and crabs etc. Are crabs demonic? I catch them in the summer and eat them,. Maybe I'm demonized. Are insects demonic? Well maybe you got a point there ...:P

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If only someone had kicked my a$$.. (This is post is not for theists)

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i think back on the 30+ years of bs as well as my fading almost a decade and even now being low key in person to hopefully save my nieces from the wt.

i'm a wreck in some ways.

i'm other days i'm stable however when it comes to theism i depart quickly and with anger!

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Disillusioned JW

Other then a brief comment in the forward I have written I haven't mentioned Jehovah's Witnesses at all. ILike you i feel it is best received by being general. however I might be 'attacking' catholics in my NT section. This will likely make the book more appealing for JWs maybe. (They love the Two Babylon book and it wasn't written by a JW. Same for the Golden Vial)

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Genesis 1:16 and apologists- vegetation before the Sun?

by joey jojo in

gen 1: 11 says: .

11 then god said, “let the earth sprout [j]vegetation, [k]plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to [l]their kind [m]with seed in them”; and it was so.

12 the earth produced [n]vegetation, [o]plants yielding seed according to [p]their kind, and trees bearing fruit [q]with seed in them, according to [r]their kind; and god saw that it was good.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Well I say JW's have an issue with this. They say the sun was created before day one and then only on day four was the sun moon and star reveled in the heavens because plants were adding free oxygen to the atmosphere.

But note Exodus 20:11- for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy. -WEB

So actually I have sympathy for young earth creationist at least they are BIBLICALLY correct.

The reality is this is a story in Genesis 1 taken from Berrousus who took this from Enuma Elish an ancient Babylonian story.

The order of the days is:

1- Light

2: Division between heaven and earth of waters

3. Land and Plants

Now watch>>

4. Sun and Moon and Stars parallel day 1

5. Birds and Fish paralleled day 2

6. Beast and Humans paralleled day 3

Day seven is the Sabbath which Exodus 20:11 (From the same author says)

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Jehovah Witness cult is Anti-christ.... proof seen in the use of BCE/CE instead of AD/BC

by goingthruthemotions in

so being around this cult, i always found it interesting that the rest of christianity use ad/bc and the non christians use bce/ce.

i never put two and two together.

but, it dawned on me that once again there is hidden proof that the witness cult is and anti-christ cult.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Actually the WT shot themselves in the foot!. In their KJV translation they had Usher's Chronology. It gives 587BC not 607 BCE as the date of Jerusalem's destruction in Kings/Chronicles/Jeremiah/Lamentations/Obadiah? and perhaps other areas. Thus I highly doubt many witnesses in the pre-NWT era was 100% on board with 607BCE.

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Evolution a proven fact? LOL

by Rex B13 in

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some interesting quotes from evolutionists.

natural history, vol.

' new scientist, vol.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I never use fossils to try to support evolution. We have DNA for better proof

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The WT will now produce a Jesus Movie (Series)

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i'm actually looking forward to their warped view of matthew, mark, luke and john for this.

the drama from 2015 wasn't that bad.

however.... yeah steven lett mentions othe films about jesu are plagued with false religion.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

I'm actually looking forward to their warped view of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John for this. The Drama from 2015 wasn't that bad. However...

Yeah Steven Lett mentions othe films about Jesu are plagued with false religion. I'm think 'The Bible series on Netflix. He says other have excessive violence. Uh No they don't. The movie he speaks of is obviously Passion the Christ and it's realistic as far as ancient torture goes.

So I'm guessing the next several years Warwick will produce a Jesu series that will be PG rated and be quoting the NWT.

This actually is very humorous when you think of it. Imagine how they will show the demon poesssed man that is contradictory in the different gospels.

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If only someone had kicked my a$$.. (This is post is not for theists)

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i think back on the 30+ years of bs as well as my fading almost a decade and even now being low key in person to hopefully save my nieces from the wt.

i'm a wreck in some ways.

i'm other days i'm stable however when it comes to theism i depart quickly and with anger!

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Disillusioned JW

To answer the question put earlier yes the books topic is pretty much how the Bible was created from a minimalistic point of view of both the late 19th and recent scholarship.. The title likely will be something like "If the foundations be shaken."
As I have said I doubt if most JWs would get out just by reading the book because it will cover every chapter and section of the bible and several relevant apocryphal books. However it might instill doubts as they cannot deny the scholarly or texts from other cultures that the bible draws from
Ex. Balaam was likely historical but he lived much later and never had a talking donkey.
Another example is that right now I'm dealing with the main portion of the Book of Job and have some interesting conclusions regarding Behemoth and Apis in Egyptian mythology that will leave a believer in a literal text reeling.
However once the doubts of a JW reaches the tipping point the book is meant to fill the void of where the book came from so that the arguments that JWs use such as the Is: 40:22 verse or Daniels prophecies etc fall apart quickly.
I will devote a section at the end to why evolution is true. I will not however address the idea of an afterlife since that is beyond the scope of the book and I don't even consider it a supernatural question but a scientific one.

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If only someone had kicked my a$$.. (This is post is not for theists)

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i think back on the 30+ years of bs as well as my fading almost a decade and even now being low key in person to hopefully save my nieces from the wt.

i'm a wreck in some ways.

i'm other days i'm stable however when it comes to theism i depart quickly and with anger!

HowTheBibleWasCreated

The point of this post was twofold. For those that say I need to talk to someone about anger the post was a strong vent . I don't have any ex-jws nearby (And with Covid would it make a difference?) also since my wife is a jw I don't exactly have freedom to speak openly about this issue often. And as stated I need to be somewhat below the radar to be a helping hand if ever the time comes.

The second point of the post was answered by a few posters:

dubstepped: That is possible that I would have had a persecution complex but as stated the 'if only..' does not mean being angry in person. There is a balance between showing a person that their beliefs are wrong but also not starting a persecution complex. I also beg to differ a little about waking up. It was reading the bible and comparing it to archeology and other texts that called into question my beliefs. It took over 30 years to do that. The point i'm making was that if someone had shown me the same material earlier I would have gotten out sooner. Yes obviously this post is angry and I wouldn't try to deconstruct someone's indoctrination by that method. However stand back and saying "I respect that." I find completely insane. lol

Waton: You have hit it spot on. That is exactly what I am attempting to do. While I doubt the issues I will bring up in the book will get someone out right away I have no doubt that it will plant major seeds of doubt which might just help them later. Also once they realize they have been lied to then I hope my book will help to deconstruct any lingering questions.

jhine: You didn't read the title! :P

Yes you are an adult and as such have the right to believe in god in whatever religion. However what of a child? See the point? I'm sure you are not in a strong cult such as JWs however the same type of innocent zeal you have to o to church on Sunday morning instead of watching tv is the same type of zeal that a Muslim man will use to make his wife wear clothes from head to toe or for a monk to beat themselves to suffer what Christ did etc. How would you like to be an Amish child that wakes up in their teens? Shunned by all they have ever known and unable to function in modern society?

And I appreciate your being blunt in your post thank you.

Bethelite: Who else can i blame? I was born without beliefs and instead of learning about the world in a healthy way me and billions of other people have been told by their parents or religious leaders that it's my way or the highway. I never saw any outside info to challenge my beliefs until later in life because even though workmates or schoolmates knew I was a witness they never had the guts to say: "Hey let me show you something." That's the underlining philosophy behind this post. That it's time to come out and do what we can even if it might be somewhat out of the so-called respectable norms.

FatFreak: I'm assuming your comment is a joke lol. However seriously the physical abuse in JW and other religions upon children is a sad state. While today it is vastly different then when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s when screams of children filled the Kingdom Hall it is still done by the odd JW or by many other groups under the famous Proverbs 23:13: Do not withhold discipline from the child; If you swat him with a reed-like rod [applied with godly wisdom], he will not die.(Amplified Version) I should point out that their are many faith groups that are horrible in this regard and one only needs to look up on the internet the words: Religion and child discipline to find this out.

As for the words: "Holding onto all that rage can't be good for you mentally or physically." I agree but perhaps it is anger that drives me to do something rather then nothing. I could sit back and watch millions of more people (mainly children) lose their freedom of thought or possibly their life from JWs or any group that places the delusions on them usually from childhood. (Very few JWs are recruited by carts or door to door nowadays)

But I don't want to sit back. I am well aware that millions will end up indoctrinated anyway... but just maybe a few can be helped if I have a hand screeched out.