Posts by HowTheBibleWasCreated

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What is your status (as of today) as a Jehovah's Witness?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

active believer...still attend meetings, go out in field service, believe it's ''the truth''.

active non-believer... go to meetings and field service to please family... living a double life .

inactive believer...don't attend meetings but believe it's the truth, one day might go back to kingdom hall.

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I'm inactive. I stay under the radar to spry and destroy.

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On the Deuteronomist history (And the majority of the prophets) A shocking discovery this morning

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every now and then i come ac ross a person in ancient times that blows my mind.

for instance at one time i agreed with many that in 175bce antiochus place a statute of zeus in the temple and nothing was there before.

but lo and behold several sources from then claim that before zeus was an idol of set-typhon in the temple (synchronism) it was really judas maccabee and his family that were the original 'deuteronomists' (not josiah).

HowTheBibleWasCreated

Every now and then I come ac ross a person in ancient times that blows my mind. For instance at one time I agreed with many that in 175BCE Antiochus place a statute of Zeus in the temple and nothing was there before. But lo and behold several sources from then claim that before Zeus was an idol of Set-Typhon in the temple (Synchronism) It was really Judas Maccabee and his family that were the original 'Deuteronomists' (Not Josiah)

But two thing bugged me.

1. Daniel quotes Jeremiah in chapter 9 alluding to the 70 years And Jeremiah is by the same hand as Deuteronomy (This is so obvious I will not even bother to explain why here. That is a whole book to itself)

2. We know that had written historical texts from Genesis to Kings already based on the book of Enoch and it's early stages (It was written over time)

But then this morning I reread Daniel 9 and the answer was right there. 164 BCE is solidly fixed for Daniel however chapter 9 is so weird in the text that it is NOT original to Daniel. In fact if we count down we could conceivably end up in the late second century BCE if we start in the right place. Also Daniel 9 used Yahweh several times and uses phrases like 'law of Moses'. It has Daniel praying regarding guilt of the exile. No Daniel 9 is Deuteronomist additions. Yahweh is and Moses are omitted elsewhere and Daniel 1:1 is NOT based on the book of King. In fact it cause too many problems. So this left me banging my head over my dates. Sirach is written in 130 (Not 180) and knows the books of kings and even Nehemiah. (Never heard of Ezra) So we know kings existed before 130 BCE. But can we narrow Deuteronomists material even closer?

Genesis -1 Kings 10 (removing Deuteronomy and all material based on it) leads to a beautiful story of Eden to Peace. At 1 Kings 11 everything and everyone gets well F**ked up.

I casually searched records from the Maccabean revolt and dynasty and all of the sudden I found it>>>

Eupolemus a historian in the time of Judas/Jonathan/Simon in 155BCE he listed the kings of Israel:

Moses: Prophesied for 40 years
Joshua son of Nun: Prophesied for 30 years and established a sacred tabernacle at Shiloh.
Samuel: Prophetic reign is not given a period of time.
Saul: By the will of God, Samuel chooses Saul to be king, and Saul rules for 21 years, then dies.
David: David son of Saul becomes king, subdues the region through warfare, and dies.
Solomon: Reigns and builds the temple.

Note several issues:

No history past Solomon! David is Saul's son? (Actually remove the Deuteronomist material and you can reach that conclusion!) He does mention a Jeremiah but portrays him as fictional (I will throw a kind bone and say Jeremiah was likely a historical oracle in the 7th century BCE and Baruch likely recorded some oracles which I believe are mostly lost.

Now let me say this is a very hot smoking gun!

155-130BCE is the timeframes involved for not only Deuteronomy the history called the Deuteronomist History but also Jeremiah and much additions or even composition of prophets and even many Psalms.(Provers, Job, Ecclesiastes (A Stoicism document) predate this by a century likely and never mention later kings. Proverbs actually makes up an imaginary king in chapter 31!

This was way later then I even liked or wanted. Thus raises a whole new layer to the Hasmonean dynasty. But more important the fact is that the texts from 1 Kings 11-2 Kings 25 uses two source documents. The Kings of Israel/The Kings of Judah which are fairly accurate. These documents unlike other material in the bible were NOT Babylonian or Greek or Egyptian legends. The most accurate section of the bible is indeed 1 Kings 11-I2 Kings 25 (Obviously mostly based on kings annuals)

Glad I found this key historian!

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I am still not able to solve this God's name paradox...

by psyco in

i am finishing to read the entire bible (nwt 2013) for my first time (my fault) and i wrote down hundreds, maybe thousands, of questions not clear to me, but one especially came in my mind meditating on god's name.. if i wanted to summarize the entire bible in one phrase i would say (even before the kingdom): god’s name sanctification.. god is jealous about his name.

he does everything for the love of his name, and he wants to be called and prayed using his name.

no doubt about all this (repeated several times in the bible), but it involves the pronunciation of his name.. god left us his name in the form of יהוה which is unpronounceable.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

The JWs did not add Jehovah to the New Testament they just followed other bibles mostly that did this already. Some bibles add it even more then 237 times.

The original poster has come to a very odd conclusion. With 66 books in the canon you have many views of god.

I would recommend before you get hung up on Jehovah's name check out 'Yahweh' on Wikipedia (and check the sources at the bottom!) and find out where Yahweh came from....The Shasu tribe.

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I've been reading selected texts of Plato and...The bible is really going out of it's way

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after timaeus and crisis i had over 20 parallels to genesis 1-6 and i wasn't even cherry picking.

after symposium not only did i feel sick at the pedophilia in the text but i say lines that made it into 1 corinthians 13.. yeah,...the famous ones.

socrates looked at young boys for hours on end.).

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Yes at this stage I'm only 25% done. It's 99% research and 1% typing. The parallels between zorastrian and Hellenistic works are so strong that it's becoming obvious to me that the authors of the bible we religious synchronists

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An Expert Explains the Beginning of Christianity with Dr Richard Carrier

by Rocketman123 in

here is an interesting discussion about how christianity probably began.

hierarchical political interest may have been involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ8gscbo_g.

HowTheBibleWasCreated

The issue as always is taking paul's letters as dating to the 50s. The earliest allusion or recognition of these letters is mid second century. Galatians likely has at least two authors and 1 corinthians was reworked 3 times as seen by the position on speaking in tongues or women preaching.orveven the resurrection. There are no sources outside the bible about jesus until tacitus and by then there are a lot of oral traditions of christianity floating around

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The WT will now produce a Jesus Movie (Series)

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i'm actually looking forward to their warped view of matthew, mark, luke and john for this.

the drama from 2015 wasn't that bad.

however.... yeah steven lett mentions othe films about jesu are plagued with false religion.

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Let's be honest here. The WT Jesus is according to Richard Carrier an improvement over Protestant Christianity. However the way Jesus is portrayed in the two books devoted to him by the WT is loonie. For instance. Jesus in same cases is required to travel 30-40 miles a day to bridge stories in the WT books (Greatest Man... The Way) that follow each other. To be honest the Mormons have done a better job

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1969 "fact": You will never grow old in this present system of things

by Ding in

awake!

"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years... therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.

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Im almost 43 (though unlike most my age I refuse to grow old and have the heart of a teen. However I was born in 78.... In 1969 a child born would be 52.. This is sad. In the 1980s the doctrine of JWs was semi-believable. The Live Forever Book I still find interesting for it's brainwashing tactics. But after Fred Franz died the WT is F**ded up.

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May JW Broaadcast - so bad, "it's not even wrong"

by FFGhost in

don't know how many of y'all still watch it.. this month's topic is "the king of the north" - cook goes into monotonous detail over the jw interpretation about rome, germany, ussr, russia, etc.. leaving aside for other commentators the emotionally manipulative videos of jws in russian holding cells, the tearjerker interviews, the god-awful stiffness of cook (i suspect he has never genuinely smiled, much less laughed, in his 60+ years), just thought i'd comment on one topic.. the centerpiece of the program is a "morning worship" monologue from splane.

let's again just leave to the side the dude's pomposity, smugness, and inflated sense of his own genius, and think about this part of his monologue.. he was tracing the history of the "king of the north" and talked about how "britain" (not england, not the united kingdom, not great britain, but "britain" - no idea why they have that fixation - anyway...) became the kotn in the 19th century.. paraphrasing his comments: "britain would not have become kotn if france had its way.

france was much wealthier and more powerful, but at the battle of waterloo, britain defeated france.

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Why does every topic on here about a useful subject dive into American politics? I mean Ecclesiastes though not inspired has a statement right.."there is nothing new under the sun. One generation comes another goes..". Stop trying to follow governmental systems that date to roman times!!! So many political parties are a rehash of roman and earlier greek systems.. are they here? Nope. While Some obsess with government and how foreign people are idiots.. (They are not they are HUMAN) the rest of the world is trying to make 2021 are year of recovery.

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I've been reading selected texts of Plato and...The bible is really going out of it's way

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

after timaeus and crisis i had over 20 parallels to genesis 1-6 and i wasn't even cherry picking.

after symposium not only did i feel sick at the pedophilia in the text but i say lines that made it into 1 corinthians 13.. yeah,...the famous ones.

socrates looked at young boys for hours on end.).

HowTheBibleWasCreated

After Timaeus and Crisis I had over 20 parallels to Genesis 1-6 and I wasn't even cherry picking. After Symposium not only did I feel sick at the pedophilia in the text but I say lines that made it into 1 Corinthians 13.. yeah,...the famous ones. (Yes. Socrates looked at young boys for hours on end.)

Job is obviously in the same style.

David and Jonathan's relationship makes perfect sense as does David dancing naked in 2 Samuel 6. And further Genesis 2 has Adam's rib stolen and after Adam being stitched back up. We therefore assume Woman is made from man. Uh... yeah.. same in Plato. Actually in Symposium Plato says women are dominated by men.. uh.. where have a heard this before?

BTW anyone that dates the Torah before Hellenization has major issues.

I can see my book needs to deal with all 40+ works of Plato.

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The camp of Israel and the problem of pooping

by FFGhost in

so, in a couple weeks, the jws move on in their bible-reading slog to the book of deuteronomy.. take a gander at deuteronomy 23:12,13:.

a private place should be designated for use outside the camp, and there is where you should go.

13 a peg should be part of your equipment.

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Anony Mous I'm a biblical minimalist but I disagree. The history meets the bible at 1 Kings not the new testament. There is no reason to doubt a certain king after omri ruled and then died at a set year or that another guy (or girl in one case) overthrew them etc. This last until the Babylonian exile. (Remember I'm not saying all the stories in Kings are true but certain details such as Hezekiah's water tunnel etc are.

As for the New testament the most accurate book is Acts in places it quotes Josephus.