a quick comment regarding how subsequent gospel writers often felt an irresistible need to clarify or expand upon their sources.
in the last supper story, the gospel that came to be named after mark 14 has jesus declare that one of the twelve who eats with him from the same bowl will betray him.
17 and evening having come, he cometh with the twelve,18 and as they are reclining, and eating, jesus said, `verily i say to you -- one of you, who is eating with me -- shall deliver me up.
Hmm if I may be so bold in 1 Corinthians 11:23"...
For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night on which he was going to be betrayed....It has been argued that 1. The Pauline epistles are Marcionite. 2. This reference is to Satan or his angels as the scene might be in heaven. Mark likes the Pauline corpus , Matthew and Luke follow. John however has a very different agenda is is as Dr. Dennis McDonald called it a Dionysian gospel.
the story of king josiah has defied simple explanation.
many readers have asked the obvious question, why does god not save the life of the best king and worshiper, 'since david'?
why does the prophetess hulda promise a peaceful death but the story rather has him die in battle?
I agree with everything in that article except Russel's date. Jeremiah says the people are paying for the sins of Manasseh. But he also addresses Josiah as one who knew Yahweh. Thus there are two authors.
I have gone beyond Gmirkin and see 2Kings 11 as a new narrative. It attempts to make Athaliah kill her grandsons who Jehu already killed. It's obvious to me that originally the DH ended with jehu.
presently there are a number of hypotheses attempting to disentangle the sources and composition of the ot.
the 19th century approaches (wellhausen et al.
) opened the world's eyes to the reality that the torah and histories are the work of a number of contributors with particular agendas and vocabulary.
Hosea 10:14 might change you view on Solomon. Shalmam or shamanessr iii has a list of places he conquered is matches one of the lists from 1 Kings 10. It's likely Solomon is a coopted story from Mesopotamian sources imo. David or beloved bthdwd is mentioned in Syrian sources possibly but it is a title. You might like the podcast dragons in genesis. It matches alot of your material
presently there are a number of hypotheses attempting to disentangle the sources and composition of the ot.
the 19th century approaches (wellhausen et al.
) opened the world's eyes to the reality that the torah and histories are the work of a number of contributors with particular agendas and vocabulary.
I'm a Minimalist. I've corresponded with Russell Gmirkin on much of this material a few years ago. He dates this to 273-269bce. I go further and follow Dr. Robert m price and Philippe Wajdenbaum placing the Deuteronomist code in the second century bce under the Hasmoneans.
Three layers I think is right for kings. Imo the story originally ended at jeroboam ii. The rest was added later using Berossus for the hezekiah and Babylonian exile material and the kings from uzziah to Zedikiah. But as mentioned before someone added Josiahs death.
Have you read Margret barker works? The priesthood split in 155bce between the Zadoks and the Hasmoneans
presently there are a number of hypotheses attempting to disentangle the sources and composition of the ot.
the 19th century approaches (wellhausen et al.
) opened the world's eyes to the reality that the torah and histories are the work of a number of contributors with particular agendas and vocabulary.
While I disagree with the dating of the editing the rest is a good find. I have recently been untangling the book of kings and have found two layers. Some of the clue are for instance Jehu killing all the prince's of judah and then in the next chapter Athaliah does the same thing. Or Elijah introduced abruptly as if we are in the middle of his story. Elijah is given three commissions but two of them Elisha does instead. The Josiah story has huldah promise Josiah a peaceful death. However a small blurb at the end of the chapter has Josiah die in battle.
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but if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘my master is delaying,’b 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards.
hmm... let's see is anyone on the governing body a strict master and a drunkard?
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But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’b 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards
Hmm... Let's see is anyone on the governing body a strict master and a drunkard? Well from tight pants, matches, ministerial servant husbands and trips to the liquor store in Sunday to buy hundreds of dollars of whiskey are we going to even try to guess?
, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,c 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.d
Well if I plug Anthony Morris iii in to this then it's happened already.
Now I'm an Atheist but imagine the society reading these verses last year. All the changes: no hours, beards, pants and no ties, salvation by grace after the tribulation and dissfelliwshipped greeting and 3 month term. Coming up I predict birthdays.
All this got released after the so called evil slave was booted
i used to comment here many years ago when i had an interest in biblical research in relation to jehovah’s witnesses.
these days my biblical research is little concerned with jehovah’s witnesses.
i feel my time is better spent researching the diachronistic development of the biblical text and ascertaining what the biblical writers and editors intended in the times in which they lived.. i have recently placed a summary diagram for a paper that i have written with original research entitled the narrative structure of the hexaemeron on academia.edu.
*Sigh*
1. I have interacted with scholars and their students. This message board and others accuse JWs of being in a cult. But said to say that is often the mentality with the majority of qualified biblical schoolers. They are so set in place by the establishment that they find themselves unable to question themselves their research and the work of their colleagues. As such what often happens is the majority of their papers look the same with minor changes and 100 pre assumed assumptions built into their work.
2. As for the NWT the 2013 version is crap. The 1984 version however from an academic standpoint is one of the best. Jason Beduhn has written extensively on this. Now fundamentalists might have issues but these are people who think that snakes talk.
i used to comment here many years ago when i had an interest in biblical research in relation to jehovah’s witnesses.
these days my biblical research is little concerned with jehovah’s witnesses.
i feel my time is better spent researching the diachronistic development of the biblical text and ascertaining what the biblical writers and editors intended in the times in which they lived.. i have recently placed a summary diagram for a paper that i have written with original research entitled the narrative structure of the hexaemeron on academia.edu.
Mebaqqer2 I have had several email exchanges with Russell Gmirkin. My thoughts on this on my currently inactive youtube channel is here:
?si=8u948I9G7BNvnW8hI find your work on genesis 1 quite well researched I this post. I've written an article on the Journal of higher criticism for Dr. Robert m price a year ago called: Foundations in Forgeries about the NT. I'm currently in a massive research stage right now so my work has fallen off a bit
i used to comment here many years ago when i had an interest in biblical research in relation to jehovah’s witnesses.
these days my biblical research is little concerned with jehovah’s witnesses.
i feel my time is better spent researching the diachronistic development of the biblical text and ascertaining what the biblical writers and editors intended in the times in which they lived.. i have recently placed a summary diagram for a paper that i have written with original research entitled the narrative structure of the hexaemeron on academia.edu.
Could I make a suggestion?. Try analyzing the text of Genesis 1 in the LXX. Now compare to the opening of Plato's Timaeus
it's been a long time since i last posted here.
however in light of recent changes i have thought a bit about things and have come to the conclusion that the society might.
.. use the "evil slave" argument.
It's been a long time since I last posted here. However in light of recent changes I have thought a bit about things and have come to the conclusion that the society might. .. Use the "evil slave" argument. Let me give an example:
"OK brothers blood transfusions are a conscience matter, "
"How dare you! People have died!"
"Yes it is sad brothers. It was the evil slave of Rutherford and Knorr and Franz that f**D us up. But worry not. We booted Tony Morris. We are the new good slave. Just as 2 Peter says evil men crept in unaware. But that time has past Armageddon is closer and Jesus is refining us."
Niw with a statement like I've shown above I would think legal ramifications regarding issues in changing blood or child abuse issues can be blamed on the evil slave or past leaders. Meanwhile the society goes semi-mainstrean.
Just a thought