OneEyedJoe

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  Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Nope, that's wildly inappropriate of her. She should know that sisters should not be wearing pants!
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  Is the WTS effectively 'pimping out' sisters?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i can't remember the topic with the discussion about the talk where they suggested that sisters should only consider ministerial servants as potential marriage partners but think about the implications more.. are they trying to use the potential affections of sisters to enourage brothers to do more and work harder?.

  isn't this a form of 'pimping out' the sisters by limiting their attention to the people contributing to them?.

  it seems to cross a line to me but i guess it's not vastly different to "only marry another jw".. what do you think?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Yeah, I think you guys nailed his intended message. That wasn't directed to women, it was directed to the young men.

  In the end, though, I don't think it'll help even a little bit with the retention of youth. It will lead to marriages based on status, which will invariably be unhappy. It will lead to the "spiritually weak" young men to be forced to hang out with "spiritually weak" young women and that's a combination for a JC to be sure. The rest, who will ignore AMIII's comments entirely, already have one foot out the door.
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  Trashed WT's found in Dr.s' waiting room Friday. Do you trash literature you find?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  took the magazines in the waiting room and dumped them in the trash.

  was a great feeling.

  to think many witnoids wont dare throw out the surplus magazines they have in stacks around the house is amazing.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I dump any magazines that I can. Most of the ones I throw away, though, are the extras that I take from the literature desk for just that purpose.
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  Is the Society trying to self sabotage?

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not going to list all the changes here that have happened in 2014, most of you who frequent the boards know about them.. in reference to anthony morris' talk, i can't help feel that the organization is behaving so abnormally out of character for itself that it is bewildering even to ex jws.. cultish behavior is perfectly normal for cults, but whats happened this year is so far out of whack it beggars belief.. what do they think they are doing?

  are they psyching jws up for some major announcement?.

  i can't help but feel that something really strange is going on, this does not feel like the regular "special announcements" followed by articles in the watchtower.. .

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  OneEyedJoe

  Some times, my friends, it seems the WT is its own worst enemy. And it seems especially so the "higher" the speaker is.

  If that doesn't give you a hint that something is fundamentally wrong, nothing will.

  Also, I think tony could stand to get a little higher, if you know what I mean. That man needs to relax.
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  November 2015 article- "Boxers or Briefs? The Biblical position on girding your loins"

  by Separation of Powers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is no room for self-expression in a cult.

  this weekend's condemnation fest proved that.

  looking forward to the november 2015 article, "boxers or briefs?

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  OneEyedJoe

  LOL. Would probably be more entertaining than the usual drivel out of this cult!
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  Attention AMIII! you need to read WATCH OUT FOR SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS- A WT you would never see today!

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was reading an article from a '95 wt called "watch out for self righteousness" it exposes amiii as a true pharisee by their own definition.

  the style and content sound a lot like ray franz but it obviously was not.

  i am confident you would never see an article like this in todays wt land.

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  Good find. The hipocrisy is astounding. The fact that they're constantly criticising christendom for their hipocrisy only adds an extra level of irony.

  I honestly think that this branch visit has induced in me the greatest level of absolute disgust that I've ever experienced. Disgust doesn't even seem strong enough a word right now.
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  Anthony Morris The Third

  by Yondaime in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when i am3 was going to speak i was ecstatic to hear this lunatic embarass himself.

  after the propaganda indoctrination session, a relative asked me what my spiritual goals were, i told em i want to become a servant before i turn 23 so i could get laid.

  lmfao.

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  Mark 7:13

  Thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like this.”

  1 John 4:8

  Whoever does not love has not come to know God because God is love.

  Lamentations 3:31-33

  For Jehovah will not cast us off forever.
  Although he has caused grief, he will also show mercy according to his abundant loyal love.
  For it is not in his heart to afflict or grieve the sons of men.

  2 Corinthians 9:7

  Let each one do just as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

  AMIII (paraphrasing from memory) after talking about inactive ones being blood guilty:

  And they say "god will understand" - that's not any god that I know!

  Yep, looks like the word of god is invalid in his mind.
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  US Zone visit: disappointing, depressing, discouraging

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i will have plenty of "snark" to post later on, but please indulge me while i get this out of my system..... suppose you are the leaders...yes, the leaders...there are only 7 of you...for the one true religion in all the universe.. jehovah the god of the whole universe speaks to you, you alone, out of 7 billion+ people on teh planet.. you have an opportunity, thanks to the advancements in technology, to speak to 750,000 of your followers "live", and another 750,000 or so within 24 hours.. 1.5 million people!

  hanging on your every word!.

  this is the first time in history you can simultaneously, or nearly simultaneously, address so many of your adherents.. what message are you going to present for this special occasion?.

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  Luke 12:45,46:

  But if ever that slave should say in his heart, ‘My master delays coming,’ and starts to beat the male and female servants and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that slave will come on a day that he is not expecting him and at an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and assign him a part with the unfaithful ones

  What was Jesus refering to when he suggested that the slave might "beat the [...] servants" in this scripture? I think we can all agree, since he was speaking in parable, that this would be somewhat metaphorical. Would, perhaps, going on rants publicly shaming the (ostensibly) hardest working servants (bethelites) and rants designed to induce guilt and horrible mental images, and guilt about personal style decisions and guilt about entertainment with no mention of the provision of Jesus' sacrifice to wash away our sins and no mention of Jehovah's making our "scarlet" sins as "white as snow" and no mention of the god who IS love? Would that qualify as beating the servants?

  I can't think of anything that the "evil slave" could have done that would more closely resemble beating god's servants without it being a literal beating.

  This is the tack I think I'm going to take if I'm able to get the topic of the zone visit to come up again. Or maybe just the next time that we read the FDS scriptures in a meeting again, they love those scriptures so I'm sure it won't be a long wait.
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  Inactive ones are bloodguilty?

  by dissonance_resolved in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been thinking about brother morris' statement at the zone meeting this past weekend that inactive ones are bloodguilty.

  bloodguilt is defined as "guilty of murder or manslaughter.

  " murder is #1 on the list of disfellowshipping offenses- all they would have to do is change the wording from "murder" to "bloodguilt" and suddenly there you have grounds to disfellowship anyone who's inactive.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I doubt this statement was anything to do with trying to get the inactive back going out in serve-us. The inactive ones that attended the meetings where almost certainly only there for family and will probably be mostly unaffected by it. The impact will be upon the super-dubs who will feel that much more guilty even at the thought of skipping a saturday out. Telling them to imagine looking at their hands and seeing blood on them is a powerful image that will make a lasting impact on the minds of many, even without their realizing it.

  What's more, the bloodguilty thing is going to justify those who are currently shunning inactive friends/family in spite of their not being DF'd. They'll justify the shunning because they "know" that the inactive one could do more in the ministry than they are and they therefore "know" that the inactive one is bloodguilty.

  This type of thing is what keeps the system going - encourage the JWs to judge one another and guilt one another into staying with the cult.
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  HeyThere said she will upload zone visit as soon as she can

  by Maralee in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  be patient, she will get it done.

  maralee.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Also, from someone who sat through it - it's too late for me, save yourselves! I can't imagine why anyone would want a recording...