Posts by OneEyedJoe

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Today's (4/12) WT study - all about Jesus

by OneEyedJoe in

today's watchtower study article is all about jesus.

this stuck out to me after a year of hanging out on here where one frequent point of criticism is that jws claim to be christians but never talk about jesus.. anyone think it's a coincidence that today was the "special talk" follow-up to the memorial?

i think not - this is the most attended sunday meeting of the year, complete with many ubms, studies, and miscellaneous other potential victims who have been subjected to a coordinated effort to pressure them into attending.

OneEyedJoe

The doctrine is that the ransom is FOR the anointed, but the OS are fringe beneficiaries of it. It's always explained in a way that subtly makes the r/f jws feel lesser, but they have no choice but to accept it since they still get "sayings of eternal life" out of the deal.

A watcher - you should really do your own study, so I'm not going to do the busy work for you. You really need to be more spiritual and come to an understanding of the deeper things. Keep at it and soon you'll be eating solid food and not the milk meant for mere babes.

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JW Personality used as an excuse....

by Anon_SA1 in

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i had a discussion with a current jw member of +- 30 years, we got chatting about how you can be sure your faith is right and what checks can be done.

i then suggested looking at ex members view points and literature.

her response was her "i am not someone who takes initiative to look online at stuff, i doesn't feel my personality needs me look at outside view points" in summary she was saying her personality type is not interested in looking at other views.

OneEyedJoe

I get a similar response when I point out doctrinal flaws to my wife, "that's never been that important to me."

I don't think it's a personality thing as much as defense mechanism. They sense a threat and come up with any reason they can to avoid it. Since jws are often pressed for time due to all the indoctrination sessions and busy work, the "it's a waste of time/effort/etc" excuse is an easy one.

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Why do we get TTATT and others don't?

by quest81 in

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i have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.

how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.

how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.

OneEyedJoe

Because JW's aren't looking for reasons to NOT serve Jehovah.

They do claim to be lovers of truth, though. Which makes it all the more curious that they have such an aversion to it.

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Today's (4/12) WT study - all about Jesus

by OneEyedJoe in

today's watchtower study article is all about jesus.

this stuck out to me after a year of hanging out on here where one frequent point of criticism is that jws claim to be christians but never talk about jesus.. anyone think it's a coincidence that today was the "special talk" follow-up to the memorial?

i think not - this is the most attended sunday meeting of the year, complete with many ubms, studies, and miscellaneous other potential victims who have been subjected to a coordinated effort to pressure them into attending.

OneEyedJoe

You diss us when we DON'T talk about Jesus and you diss us when we DO!

We point out that, for those claiming to be Christian, Christ is not a focus. When he is a focus, it is only in a transparent and dishonest attempt to appear more Christian. Have an ounce of intellectual honesty, and stop over simplifying things.

Also, learn what a hypocrite is.

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February 15, 2015 Watchtower Tells Lies About Bible Jesus!

by Island Man in

page 6, paragraph 7 dishonestly makes the following 2 claims about jesus:.

"he never called undue attention to himself.

instead, he directed all glory to his father.".

OneEyedJoe

Even in the highly flattering and clearly exaggerated gospel accounts tacitly acknowledge that Jesus (if he existed) was just another cult leader.

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Today's (4/12) WT study - all about Jesus

by OneEyedJoe in

today's watchtower study article is all about jesus.

this stuck out to me after a year of hanging out on here where one frequent point of criticism is that jws claim to be christians but never talk about jesus.. anyone think it's a coincidence that today was the "special talk" follow-up to the memorial?

i think not - this is the most attended sunday meeting of the year, complete with many ubms, studies, and miscellaneous other potential victims who have been subjected to a coordinated effort to pressure them into attending.

OneEyedJoe

While I lack your dedication, I did something similar for a while. It quickly got to the point that there was no challenge to it and I got bored.

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Theory of god

by azor in

i have noticed that theists have an aversion to the word theory.

as it is mostly attached to evolution, and they have a deep misunderstanding of what the word means.. i'm probably botching the following statement but the general idea is as follows.

it has been said that whoever sets the parameters of the battle or frames the argument wins.

OneEyedJoe

I like this idea. Obviously few theists will be swayed by it, since they will continue to misunderstand what a theory is , and god's existence isn't a theory to them. I guess it's not really a theory to anyone since it isn't fit to be called a theory in the way that evolution is.

My go-to rebuttal when the word theory is used as an argument against evolution is that gravity is also described by physicists as a theory. It's not completely understood, but it's effects are readily visible. The same is true of evolution. I posted something to that effect on here and someone suggested that my point boiled down to "if you don't believe in evolution because it's a theory, you should jump off a cliff."

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Today's (4/12) WT study - all about Jesus

by OneEyedJoe in

today's watchtower study article is all about jesus.

this stuck out to me after a year of hanging out on here where one frequent point of criticism is that jws claim to be christians but never talk about jesus.. anyone think it's a coincidence that today was the "special talk" follow-up to the memorial?

i think not - this is the most attended sunday meeting of the year, complete with many ubms, studies, and miscellaneous other potential victims who have been subjected to a coordinated effort to pressure them into attending.

OneEyedJoe

I don't think there are many of those people on this forum.

Probably not amongst long-time active posters, but I'll admit it took me a while after waking up to realize the level of deceptive recruiting that goes on, and I'm obviously still noticing new layers to it all the time.

It's the trick of the dog whistle - active JWs don't notice it as anything unusual, but visitors are comforted by the familiar emphasis on Jesus. They're able to get the r/f to deceive others without even realizing what they're doing, and I think it's important to call 'em on it.

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Today's (4/12) WT study - all about Jesus

by OneEyedJoe in

today's watchtower study article is all about jesus.

this stuck out to me after a year of hanging out on here where one frequent point of criticism is that jws claim to be christians but never talk about jesus.. anyone think it's a coincidence that today was the "special talk" follow-up to the memorial?

i think not - this is the most attended sunday meeting of the year, complete with many ubms, studies, and miscellaneous other potential victims who have been subjected to a coordinated effort to pressure them into attending.

OneEyedJoe

Today's watchtower study article is all about Jesus. This stuck out to me after a year of hanging out on here where one frequent point of criticism is that jws claim to be Christians but never talk about Jesus.

Anyone think it's a coincidence that today was the "special talk" follow-up to the memorial? I think not - this is the most attended Sunday meeting of the year, complete with many UBMs, studies, and miscellaneous other potential victims who have been subjected to a coordinated effort to pressure them into attending. Someone at the top realizes that to draw these people in, you have to appear Christian. Classic bait and switch.

Anyone who doesn't think jws use deceptive recruiting tactics should think again. Just like every other cult, they do. And it goes deeper than just using their own "Bible" and the bait and switch "Bible study" that consists of studying only WT literature and cherry-picked scripture.

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My first "disagreement" with standard JW thinking

by TTATT_Paladin in

about two years after i was baptized, i had this incident.

i looked at it as an isolated incident at the time, but now realize it would have had basically the same result with 99.99% of any jws not members here.. i will keep it short.

i was talking with a person who was raised in the religion.

OneEyedJoe

And WHY does the org feel that Hebrew is the language we will revert to, when the Jews were cast off as gods people, and killed Jesus??
Bit hypocritical right??

The logic is that the Israelites came from a line that want involved with building the tower of bable, so they'd never had their language confused. From this they assume that the ancient Hebrew that they spoke was the language that Adam and Eve spoke. Since it's "evidently" the original language, it seems logical to conclude that we'll be restored to speaking ancient Hebrew once we're raised to perfection.

Never mind the fact that we know that languages evolve over time - which is why we don't still speak old English. Also never mind the fact that there's a boatload of evidence of many languages that predated Hebrew.