OneEyedJoe

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  Jehovah's Witnesses the richest religion in the world..

  by wwjdnwt in

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  2. beliefs

  i don't post here too much..i am more of a lurker.

  but, wanted to share recent conversation with jw family member.. one of my jw relatives recently went to visit another jw relative that is "serving where the need is great",.

  when my jw relative returned home and i was talking with him, who is an older jw who has been in for over 50 years, was so excited to tell me about the special talk.

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  OneEyedJoe

  The claim that JWs are the richest religion is so completely absurd I don't even know where to start in reacting to someone making it.
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  Why Do Intelligent People Believe in God?

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the most common thing thrown at atheists is - lots of intelligent people believe in god.

  this darkmatter 2525's video is an excellent explanation as to why very logical people possess religious belief systems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y201qzddzbg.

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  But I disagree, your ridiculous claim is that I was indoctrinated to believe in God, but my parents are both agnostic and atheist. So your claim is not supported by the evidence.
  

  His claim was general, your specific example is anecdotal.

  Lol hahaha very good. Einstein believed in God
  

  It's very well documented that Einstein used "god" as a metaphor. He was, at best, agnostic.
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  So , how "worldly" did you get?

  by greenhornet in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i even hate to use that word worldly tm.. any way i'm probably the worst.. 1 when the jw s come to my door i say i'm not interested .

  2 i have gone to many churches and volunteered.. 3 i shredded all my jw books and magazines out in the woods.. 4 had the mormon elders over and studied with them.. 5 tried pot (its legal here).

  6 open carry my fire arm every where (legal here also).

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  I've burned my cult bibles and some books

  When I was still going to meetings I took 15-30 magazines per meeting and threw them away in the bathroom

  I've smoked (only a couple times socially, have no intention of getting hooked) and want to try weed.

  I'm atheist, so I haven't gotten involved in any churches or anything like that. But I have been doing a lot of reading on physics/cosmology/evolution, etc so maybe that counts as something.

  As far as using the word worldly, I insist on correcting my wife every time she says it. The correct term is "normal." She protested the first time but had to concede that normal people definitely have the numbers on JWs and that's what defines normal, so there's really no argument.
  
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  What do you think is the source of your consciousness? Can it be copied or transferred?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this seems to be a question that even scientifically is still in the air.

  right now your consciousness, is it the physical part of the brain?

  the electrical signals in the brain?

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  OneEyedJoe

  It seems that this is more a discussion of theseus' paradox than it is anything to do with consciousness specifically.
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  What do you think is the source of your consciousness? Can it be copied or transferred?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this seems to be a question that even scientifically is still in the air.

  right now your consciousness, is it the physical part of the brain?

  the electrical signals in the brain?

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  OneEyedJoe

  Consciousness is an emergent property of a very complex system made up of small pieces that follow simple rules. Just like a flock of birds or a school of fish seems to be something more than the sum of its parts, so does consciousness. But that doesn't mean it actually is something more.
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  Does the WT attract needy dysfunctional type of people?

  by William Penwell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in your personal experience, do you think that the wt attracts needy types of people?

  over the years, my experience is that they do attract very needy, insecure, dysfunctional, types.

  i had an acquaintance that i just basically cut off.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Mostly it "attracts" people who were born to JW parents. Then the JW upbringing probably creates a lot of dysfunctional personality traits in people. Though I will say that literally every convert I've met is either obviously a little "off" or they have some past that makes them an obvious mark for a cult (alcoholic, displaced by natural disaster, immigrant with no local family, etc).
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  "You don't go to church in a Kingdom Hall"

  by stephanie61092 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "you don't go to church in a kingdom hall" was stated during the public talk yesterday.

  the speaker then elaborated that "people who go to church, go to fulfill a spiritual obligation.

  coming to the kingdom hall is coming to learn.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Was he suggesting that there are JWs that go to meetings for any reason other than obligation? Alls I know is that anytime there's snow on the ground and meeting gets canceled, no one is disappointed.
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  The Pope is more like Christ than the GB

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just a quick line to share something i heard in the news yesterday.

  while we may disagree with many of the doctrines of the catholic church, there was something interesting.. the subject was regarding the view by the church on abortion and contraceptives.

  while the pope insisted in the absolute and immutable evil of terminating a pregnancy, he said that considering the risks presented by the zika virus, women in south america should consider contraceptives to prevent unwanted pregnancies that could end up in a child born with defects.

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  I like this pope. I mean he still pushes a bronze age superstition, but at least he's almost a humanist in going about it. He even once said that atheists will go to heaven if they're good people. So no need to accept jesus into your hearts, just don't be a dick.
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  Has anyone else collected their money back from local Kingdom Halls for money loaned for construction?

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just a reminder if you haven't, to get it back before they sell any more halls.even if you're currently da/df you can still collect any monies owed you by the kingdom hall as far as loans go.we were able to get back $1000 that my mom had loaned the local hall for a loan to build new one.it was documented by the paper that had been given each publisher back then on how much they could/would be willing to give as an outright donation or a loan.

  the loan was to be paid back whenever the publisher requested it.

  (not a specific date)i can't help but feel that a lot of the old timers that loaned monies to the society and/or k-halls have been forgot about by them or their families.

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  OneEyedJoe

  The loan was to be paid back whenever the publisher requested it. (not a specific date)
  

  That's clever. It appears as though they're being super flexible (certainly more flexible than "worldly" institutions which would agree to a rigid payment plan) and making sure you'll be able to get the money back should you have an urgent need, but in reality it puts the ball in the JW's court for securing payment and forces them to do go through the uncomfortable act of asking for money. And especially for small loans, they're sure to be forgotten.

  How terribly manipulative.
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  Watchtower go full on propaganda!

  by David Graham in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i see the watchtower are getting extremely desperate now.http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/25503-injustice-abounds-for-our-dear-russian-brothers/check out the professionally edited video, using professional equipment!

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  OneEyedJoe

  There are enough confessions in their own textbooks to show that they have no problem with breaking the law by distributing banned literature.
  

  This.

  They love to give the examples of police searching people's houses or KHs for literature and not finding it even though it was sitting in plain sight, and they claim this is evidence of god's blessing. They can't have it both ways - either god is blessing them and they're getting away with having banned literature or they've removed all banned literature to comply with the law (as claimed in the video). It's one or the other.

  In the video they try to show that authorities are planting evidence but they give no support to this. They show one instance where a cop has a book (bible teach) that he reasonably claims was to be used to quickly identify banned literature. The JWs claim that his intention was to plant this during his search. Was he? Maybe. Do they have any compelling evidence of that? No.

  Second case they show is of someone planting books prior to an inspection. Was this authorities planting evidence? It's later revealed in passing that it was a former study, not police, that planted the books. Likely a tip was called in to the police about the banned literature - are they to blame for following up on a tip? It's hardly persecution when the police rightly perform their job and inspect a group that's known to have broken the law in the past. An interesting question, though, is where did this former study get the literature? Only place that makes sense is that he got it from a JW. So maybe they don't keep it at the kingdom hall, maybe they've just got a good hiding spot, but they're still breaking the law.

  Last case of supposed planting of evidence by authorities is completely without any basis. They say that police did an inspection and found banned materials and it is assumed ("most think" it was planted - 4:04 in the video) that they were planted because the ever-righteous JWs had gotten rid of their banned literature. But again, this is clearly crap because the JWs have the literature and proudly relate stories of successfully bypassing bans. Maybe most JWs there think it was planted, I think it wasn't. Who cares unless they can show some evidence of wrongdoing?

  Having said that, I don't agree with a ban on literature. I think freedom of speech is important, and I don't think the russians are going about this the right way in their (well intentioned) effort to keep their population safe from this dangerous cult. But even so, it looks to me like it's more likely that this video is wildly deceptive and the problem of planted evidence is not what they're making it out to be.