OneEyedJoe

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  Protest

  by Coded Logic in

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  had a great turn out today protesting against the baptist minister who praised the orlando massacre.

  my best guess is there were around 1,200 of us there.

  it was an entirely peaceful protest as we chanted "love conquers hate" and "we are orlando".

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  OneEyedJoe

  Well done, sir.
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  Reason for New Songs

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had a dream the other day of going to the meeting - did a checklist:.

  songbook - check.

  bible - check .

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  OneEyedJoe

  I agree. I think the new songs are their way of testing the waters and getting people used to either using a tablet/phone for everything or having to print things out themselves.
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  Should I just tell my parents

  by BlackWolf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lately i've been feeling just so fed up with this stupid religion i really can't take it anymore!

  i'm starting to think that maybe i should just tell my parents how i really feel.

  if they treat me too badly or kick me out i could probably stay with my non jw aunt.. ive just reached my breaking point, i don't really care what people think of me anymore.

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  OneEyedJoe

  That's a really tough spot to be in. I'm usually of the opinion that you're best off bit boxing yourself in, i.e. try to keep as many future options open as possible. Would it be possible to pitch living with your aunt without going full apostate on them? Depending on what your parents are like, they may be more likely to let you go if you don't tell them your reason is to get out of the cult. Telling them you don't believe it may mean they try to push it on you harder.

  Also, try not to limit yourself to thinking there's only two options. There may be other choices that are less obvious that get you the desired result, perhaps with less cost.

  Sorry this probably isn't too helpful. I feel for ya, you're in a shit situation. It is temporary, though. You'll get through this no matter what happens.
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  slimboyfat joins the Mormons!

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i know that some people on the board have experience of being mormons, so i would be interested in your feedback.

  at church this afternoon it was an uncanny experience.

  in the past i've read a lot about mormons, so i thought i was prepared in general for what it would be like.

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  OneEyedJoe

  The second talk about about a lapsed member who returned to the church after 20 years. What was keeping him back? The obligation to tithe. But when he returned to church he realised people worse off than himself tithed so he felt moved to meet his obligation. Again not a talk you would hear in a Kingdom Hall.

  Sounds to me like that's a talk you'd expect to hear at a JW cult meeting. Maybe not about tithing, but they love to give examples of people who come back after realizing they were being too prideful or whatever.

  JWs also love to play the "there's people worse off than you that are doing/giving more" guilt game. I remember not too long ago a CO gave a talk in which he went on and on about how the impoverished brothers in Africa had such a giving spirit that they often donated more for the literature that they used than it cost, but there are some congregations in the US where they don't cover the cost of their literature. He asked "how bad would you feel if you learned that someone in poverty was subsidizing your literature?"

  Anyway good luck with that. It may not be as bad of a cult as JWs but it's on the cult end of the spectrum. Remember that the experience of a newcomer is often specially tailored and not representative of reality for the rest of the group. Cultists justify lying to potential converts, so who knows if what he said about shunning is the full truth. I just can't imagine joining a group like that just to have a shortcut to superficial friends and a little song and dance when you know the doctrine is so insane. Not to mention the cost... I could have a much better time if I blew 10% of my income on going to fun events vs going to a church.
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  Why Are You Here?

  by Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm wondering why believers remain members of this forum which is clearly hostile to believers.

  as one member said, nonbelievers pounce on any semblance of belief like piranhas on prey.

  as former jws we should have had our fill of judgmental know-it-alls, but here we are.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I don't see this forum as hostile to believers. Facts are hostile to belief, though, and there are several here that prefer to have discussions based on fact. There are also many that don't like to let statements that are unsupported by evidence stand unchallenged. That can also be hostile to belief if that belief isn't based in fact.
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  Moments Of Clarity As A Born In JW

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  -when i was in my early teens we were studying the revelation book for the second time.

  the first time i didn't understand much but the second time i remember that my family had quite a lengthy discussion about the lake of fire.

  they were trying make sense of the scripture and the jw interpretation.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I actually went to college and continued as an auxiliary pioneer, I think for a short period they relaxed on the higher education thing as long you weren't leaving home to go live in a dorm.

  Yup. I was lucky enough to be of college age during the belief period in which it was 8 conscience matter. When they started try demonize it again, i couldn't help but refute every one of their arguments based on personal experience. I was not subjected to pressure to do drugs or engage in sexual acts (well I was pressured to have sex, but only by my own biology) or anything else. My education even paid for itself in the first year of my employment in the industry. I was, however, taught to think logically and exposed to worldviews that went contrary to that of a JW. Looking at it objectively, I saw that their stance only made sense if they were trying to keep people from looking at their doctrine from the perspective of someone that isn't already indoctrinated.
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  Moments Of Clarity As A Born In JW

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  -when i was in my early teens we were studying the revelation book for the second time.

  the first time i didn't understand much but the second time i remember that my family had quite a lengthy discussion about the lake of fire.

  they were trying make sense of the scripture and the jw interpretation.

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  OneEyedJoe

  In honor of Kurt Vonnegut, I call these vin-dits.

  I remember the talk about the statue of Daniel and thinking "that's new?" Only to find out that this was something of a flip flop back to a previously held doctrine. Maybe that's not entirely accurate (I never actually researched it) but it made me realize that new light wasn't really important since it would only change again one day.

  My moments of clarity were mostly with regards to shunning and the higher education ban. Everytime i listened to speakers extol the virtues if either of these, I found myself thinning "if I were leading a cult, that's definitely something I'd include." It's amazing how long one can continue in the cult even while suspecting the truth.
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  No Reason For JWs To Go To The MIdweek Meeting (CLAM)

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  everything that is done at the midweek meeting can now be done at home.

  the videos are online, the first talk is scripted, the bible highlights are scripted.

  you could get the same experience by just reading and watching the material from your tablet.

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  OneEyedJoe

  If it were really about teaching/learning about Jehovah you'd be absolutely right. It's a social club in which everyone submits to a few hours of uncomfortable and boring lecturing in order to have common ground.
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  Good news to Judgement message?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i noticed in the 'bunker video(tm)' from the latest a$$emb£y/con-vention whatever it's called, that the patronising bloke with the greasy hair, said that the great tribulation(tm) started after their message changed from good news to judgement (i think he did, anyway).. does the watchtower corporation really think that anyone listens to their propaganda?.

  do they really think they are able to stand behind a trolley and give a message of judgement?.

  how do they think the message will change?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I could be wrong but I don't think they have any intention of changing the message. I think they like to just give little tidbits of details about what the GT will be like (and done in a way that requires no citing of scriptures) so that the members will get excited and it will make things seem more real to them. A specific future threat creates more fear than a vague one.
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  "how awful it must be to be dying as an apostate!"

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i heard today about a former jw/now apostate who is dying in hospital.

  this information was accompanied by the comment of "wouldn't be awful to be lying there in hospital,dying as an apostate!

  knowing that you have no hope!?

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  OneEyedJoe

  I'd rather die an apostate than live as a JW.