In my last-ditch effort to make my ex-wife see the cult for the blood-guilty cult that it is, I brought up the issue of blood fractions and actually got her to admit that it was possible or even likely that at least one person who's conscience would've allowed them to take fractions had died rather than take fractions and face the penalty of being shunned by their family prior to that policy being revised to make fractions a "conscience matter." When I pressed her to acknowledge that this means the watchtower society is bloodguilty, she said "No, because it doesn't matter if they died, because they'll be resurrected." That's the moment when I knew that nothing I'd ever say to her would make a difference. The cult could literally do no wrong in her eyes - any evils they commit in the name of god would be undone so they don't even matter.
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What Is The Most Ridiculous Thing You Have Heard From A Witness?
by minimus ini remember an elder questioning a woman who had admitted to giving and receiving oral sex from her unbelieving mate.
he asked her the most intimate questions which clearly flustered her.
interestingly, she “confessed “ to the elders because her conscience bothered her.
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Does the Watchtower have an official position on Alcoholics Anonymous?
by JeffT ini ask because i'm working in a 28 day residential addiction treatment center and one of my co-workers is studying with the jw's.
he does not know i'm an xjw.
i suspect that at some point they're going to tell him he can't go to aa meetings anymore.
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OneEyedJoe
Why don't you explain your JW past to your coworker and offer to give him a fuller picture of the religion and your experience? Seems like kinda a dick move to watch someone getting indoctrinated into a cult all the while just standing by and watching.
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Three Simple Reasons Why an Assault-Weapons Ban Is Bad Policy
by freemindfade ini keep saying this is a bad place/policy to put all the time, energy and resources if you really do in fact care, or if you are just riding the agenda bandwagon: .
an assault-weapons ban is irrelevant to suicide deaths.
the large majority of gun deaths are suicides, and there is no credible argument that an assault-weapons ban will have the slightest effect on suicide.
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OneEyedJoe
The worst part about a ban on assault rifles would be the sense in many that we've taken some reasonable action to address the issue and would reduce the likelihood of "common sense" (i.e. keeping guns out of the hands of people that are obviously at risk of using them unethically) action being taken.
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Question about a kingdom Ministry
by new boy indoes any one remember a km back in the nineteen sixties that stated at the very top "only x (number of months left) before 1975 arrives".
question?
what was the number of months in this statement?
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OneEyedJoe
https://www.jwfacts.com/images/kingdom-ministry-1968-mar-1975.JPG
90 months mentioned here. I'm not sure if this is what you're after, though.
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Lloyd Evans' New Book - Is It Really Necessary?
by pale.emperor inso lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.
i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.
but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.
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OneEyedJoe
Deleted...posted in the wrong thread.
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Lloyd Evans' New Book - Is It Really Necessary?
by pale.emperor inso lloyd evans will shortly be releasing his new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.
i do enjoy his rebuttals and the stuff he manages to get hold of and leak.
but i'm struggling to understand what he could possibly write to merit a whole book.. all info on how to leave is right here on this forum.
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OneEyedJoe
So don't buy it.
Alternatively: This thread - is it really necessary?
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Massive hints against alcohol
by purrpurr inin the most recent assembly there were several heavy hints about not drinking alcohol at all.
saying that it doesn't give a good witness or would stumble others.. is this a new "unwritten directive?.
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OneEyedJoe
It doesn't matter what the scriptures say about booze, they could ban it if they so choose. Just because it says it'll be there in the new system, or because Jesus made wine, it doesn't mean that we have to drink now.
Just like beards - the only relevant scripture in the bible goes directly opposite to their ban. They've even speculated (or told the story of someone that speculated) as to whether men would wear beards in the new system. This would just be the same thing - Oh we can have wine in the new system because there will be no chance of stumbling anyone and we'll be perfectly able to resist the temptation to overly indulge. But for now, we have to make ourselves extra pure and go above and beyond and be faithful in what is least, etc etc.
That said, I doubt they'll completely outlaw it. As things stand it can be a useful tool to judge people and build different tiers of JWs. JWs love to rank themselves so that elders and pioneers can feel superior to other JWs. They can use it as a secondary means of judging people - if you don't want brother x to be an elder, suggest that he drinks to much. They also don't want to lose more members, so they'll be unlikely to start DFing people for drinking, so they'll likely continue to try to walk the fence like they are now - it's the perfect solution. Impose control on the JWs that are most 'in' and get them to stop drinking. Let the others that continue to drink stay donating JWs, but impose a guilt trip on them to keep them feeling like shitty people.
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Pioneer School scare tactics
by neat blue dog ini just talked with a pioneer who came back from school and she said that at the end there was emphasis put on two things.. 1: stay loyal to the governing body and their teachings.. 2: beware of propaganda.
they said that in wartime the enemy will use propaganda to break the spirit of or confuse the troops.
they said the same things is happening now, so reject negative reports about the organization.. this pioneer (who is fully pimi btw and enthusiastic about it) said she asked her cotboe about if we really have that problem here.
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'They're trying to tell us that something big's gonna happen!'
It's so odd that JWs so universally think the leadership always has information that they're not willing to share and spend such effort trying to read between the lines to suss out what they're really trying to say. If they thought this through, they'd realize that if this is the case, then the leadership is treating them like children at the least and committing lies of omission at worst.
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Is porn really such a big problem in the wt?
by purrpurr inin the most recent circuit assembly there was a lot about porn and warning against porn.
even warning against looking at swim wear adverts!
so i was wondering, is porn really such an issue in the wt?.
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OneEyedJoe
It's not a problem per se, but it's something they need to control in order to keep JWs under their control. Controlling sexuality is something that just about every cult does. If you can get people to give up their autonomy over their most basic impulses, you can generally get them to give you power over the rest of their lives.
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Elder to visit me this Saturday to invite for the memorial
by EverApostate injust a brief history of me.
me and my wife got baptized into the jw cult in 1997. we were both protestants before and in fact it was me who dragged her into the cult.
during 2009, another jw friend of mine raised suspicions about his research on the blood and 607 bc theories.
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OneEyedJoe
If your goal here is to plant seeds with your wife, then you should tailor what you talk about to what she'd most likely care about, not to what you care about. Maybe you woke up because of the blood issue, but maybe that doesn't really resonate with her. Think about her personality (especially before she joined the cult) and what she cares about. Think about what sorts of things get her emotional - does she well up at a movie when a child is injured? If so maybe talk about the issues with child abuse. Does she get passionate about nature and animals? Maybe you could talk about the misquotes/lies in the creation book.
The point is that you have to know what makes her tick and what her tie to the cult is. If she's in the cult for the social stuff, then you have to demonstrate that the cult's rules aren't healthy for people to live by and that they're not happier than non-cultists. I think that was why I failed to wake up my exwife - she was emotional and I was logical and I found it difficult to get on the same wavelength as her to make points that'd resonate with her, and if you take too long to do that, the walls go up and nothing you say will have any impact.
