The "life is so complex that it must have an inteligent designer" argument is a form of the "proving too much" logical fallacy. Much of the time this falacy can be somewhat tricky to suss out because the false conclusion that it eventually leads you to can be inferentially distant enough that it's not very obvioius. In this case, it's quite delicious how obviously the argument proves itself false.
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If God created complex creation - out of the mouths of babes answer!
by qwerty inwe know the wts offical answer to this but,.
if god created complex unique creation and is the amazing designer - he must be as equally unique and complexed!
surely god would need a creater too????.
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Is new light coming again?
by justme67 ini just turned in my resignation letter to my congregation a few weeks ago.
last week, 2 elders called me to say they received my letter and would like to meet with me to discuss my concerns.
in my letter, i said i had found out about all the child abuse cases that were going on and that i didnt agree with their policy of disfellowshipping.
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OneEyedJoe
This makes me think of trying to cancel your cable TV. Only when you want to cancel and switch to another company do they bring out their "special offers" to make you stay. Though, there's one critical difference - the cable company usually actually has something to offer whereas these elders where just bluffing.
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"So, how many tracts did you place last month during the campaign???"
by stuckinarut2 inas we all know, the org now wants everyone to count the number of flimsy, one page tracts on every monthly report from now on.... so, what is the general buzz around the traps about how many the average witness is reported to have placed?.
(yes, it is a seriously stupid thing designed to keep the flock busy and also designed to measure their 'spirituality').
i need to fudge my report, and i havent got the foggiest clue what sort of numbers each witness has on average 'placed'......
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OneEyedJoe
AM - yeah, they made a change a couple months back that we should now report tracts. It's just another way of making the r/f feel like they're doing something productive while they waste their weekends.
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JW.org is a DIFFERENT religion from the WT and Kingdomhall
by EndofMysteries inhas anybody else noticed the huge 180 degree under the public jw.org vs the material in the study articles?
other than jw.org showing that shunning of family and those who left the religion does not happen, yet in the kingdomhall and wt is does happen.
look at jwborgs stance on quitting school and getting higher education.... http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/quit-school/ can anybody show one wt that says what is in the borg website?
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OneEyedJoe
Yep, like most cults, there's a public face that looks nice and reasonable, but once you're in too deep the story quickly changes.
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KM Online Now
by konceptual99 ineven more of what you don't want to read is online.
the km are now online under wol.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/20397
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OneEyedJoe
I've been expecting them to do this for a while now, I'm actually surprised it took them this long. My guess is that they got tired of people finding TTATT by searching for the KM PDFs. They've been pushing for everyone to get an iPad so it's only natural that people stumble upon this forum or jwleaks because they do a google search for the KM after a failed attempt to find it on jw.org
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"So, how many tracts did you place last month during the campaign???"
by stuckinarut2 inas we all know, the org now wants everyone to count the number of flimsy, one page tracts on every monthly report from now on.... so, what is the general buzz around the traps about how many the average witness is reported to have placed?.
(yes, it is a seriously stupid thing designed to keep the flock busy and also designed to measure their 'spirituality').
i need to fudge my report, and i havent got the foggiest clue what sort of numbers each witness has on average 'placed'......
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OneEyedJoe
10 per hour is actually pretty typical around here. That's about 25 houses an hour, but 5 are at home and don't accept the propaganda, and the other 20 are split with your d2d partner.
Oh, and that's assuming you don't count your breaks. If you do, you can knock that down by about 25-50%
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So don't kill. isn't the watchtower like a preachers serom?
by LennaB inwouldn't the watchtower be just like a preachers sermon already written down for everyone world wide to read at the same time?
i'm not advocating the watchtower/awake (at this time) just trying to get a clear view on things as i make my departure from "the truth" and would like to get some educated/experienced takes on this..
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OneEyedJoe
It's more akin to a written form of the heaven's gate recruitment videos, if you ask me.
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Sunday's NA meeting
by Pistoff inshe begins:.
i have never spoken before in a meeting, and i am nervous.
i am one week away from having 6 months clean.. at sunday nights meeting, millie spoke for the first time, and it made me consider again the merits and pitfalls of belief.. me, i have been in recovery since the mid 80s and have recently begun attending na meetings again, just to feel more sane and to be there for newcomers; i know how great it was to have people at meetings with time when i started going.. halfway through her sharing, she said:.
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OneEyedJoe
I read an article a couple years ago (and it actually helped me in my awakening) that made a very strong case that AA (and by extension, many 12 step programs) is a cult, or at least on the cult spectrum. It was an interesting read.
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Is there a list of JW contradictions / double standards anywhere?
by BenRichards inas i mentioned in a recent thread, i've relatively new here.
have been lurking for a few weeks and just started posting.. one of the things i'm finding interesting about this site is how often someone posts a set of jw published material that contradicts each other.
for example the other day someone posted about lecithin.
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OneEyedJoe
The most comprehensive listing of flawed doctrine and doctrinal flip-flops that I've come across is www.jwfacts.com
If you look under the changed teachings section you'll probably find some of what you're looking for.
Welcome to the site, I wish you all the best on your journey to living outside of undue influence.
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Jehovahs Witnesses in USA - prefer a bigger government providing more services and involved in regulating morality.
by Sol Reform injehovahs witnesses in usa - prefer a bigger government providing more services and involved in regulating morality .. interesting that jehovahs witnesses who don't vote, even got on this graph.. " what are the political positions of religions and churches in america?.
this new graph maps the ideologies of 44 different religious groups using data comes from pews religious landscape survey.. this survey included 32,000 respondents.
it asked very specific questions on religion that allow us to find out the precise denomination, church, or religion of each person.. .
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OneEyedJoe
It's interesting to me that when I was younger my views also strongly favored a strong central government that legislated morality. As I grew more and more disillusioned with the cult, however, I also identified more and more as a libertarian.
I think in order to be a JW you have to believe that it is possible for a small group of people to be able to determine what's best for everyone. It makes sense that if that view changes in one area, it might change in another. I never really thought about how those changes in my outlook coincided before.