OneEyedJoe

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  Where is the "worship" at the KH? Maybe I missed it.

  by BU2B in

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  worship (verb).

  show reverence and adoration for (a deity); honor with religious rites.. .

  i was just thinking about the two meetings a week.

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  OneEyedJoe

  There's plenty of worship going on, it's just all directed towards the GB.
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  Not on JW.ORG : San Francisco court orders Catholic workers to attend Jehovah's Witness meeting. Will Jehovah's Witnesses now be ordered to Catholic Churches?

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. social
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  catholic workers ordered to attend jehovahs witness meetingseptember 8, 2014 by mary maria leave a comment.

  san francisco, california in an interesting case of religious rights in the workplace, the 9th circuit court of appeals has ruled that employees of the san gabriel/pomona regional center must attend services from the kingdom hall of the jehovahs witnesses.

  the protestant church is not exactly known for its ecumenical cooperation or respect for the catholic church which it often decries as being a supreme object over the whole earth that rhymes with the word lore.. at issue is a five year dispute brought on by catholic employees who care for a disabled man at the facility.

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  DD -

  I looked up the care organization (I don't remember what i was called) when I saw the other thread on this topic. I found their contact information and sent an email urging them to provide any workers who might attend JW meetings with the jwfacts link, and cited the use of undue influence by JWs.
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  Ehrman's blog: Reported public appearances of JESUS in the Modern World

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from bart ehrman's blog under the heading of:.

  jesus' appearances in the modern world.

  of particular interest are instances in which jesus is said to have appeared to entire groups of people, rather than just to an individual.

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  But Wiebe points out that it is about the same amount of time between the life of Jesus and the earliest Gospels.

  This statement at the end makes me think that this is all an elaborate effort to basically say that the Gospels aren't trustworthy. At least, that's how I read it, and it's certainly a good point if that was the intent.

  If that wasn't the intent, it's quite some delicious irony.
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  Need to find those Km or Wt articles encouraging all to read the old publications!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been dropping comments to a few re some classic old beliefs and teachings etc... and when asked "where did you read that, or how come you are saying such and such?

  " i have replied "well, you remember we have often been told to study and research our old 'theocratic history' and 'old gems' of material?....

  now though i have been challenged to prove where this has been printed!.

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  Terriffic thread, I'm sure this will be useful to me at some point.

  It's funny to me, that by their very publishing of the recomendation to read the older publications it's almost like they're trying to wake people up. What's more likely, though, is that they know NO ONE even reads all the current magazines, let alone the old crap - by telling us to read the old stuff it's just a way of keeping the most hard core followers ever busy, and the rest always have something to feel guilty about.
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  How old were you when baptized?

  by Coded Logic in

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  i was baptized at the age of 11. like most of us, my commitment wasnt to honor god but rather i was gang pressed into the service of the wtbts.

  and, at such a young age, it was impossible for me to appreciate the enormity of my actions.

  honestly, how could i possibly have known any better?

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  Brother and sister baptized at 5 and 7 years.

  How anyone can imagine that this differs in any significant way from infant baptism, I will never understand.
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  My neighbor is a return visit. Should I say something?

  by Zoos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i stayed home sick from work the other day and noticed a car group pull up to my neighbor's house.

  she's a stay-at-home mom.

  i decided it was time to retrieve something from my truck to see if i could recognize the visiting sisters.

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  Be sure to let us know how it goes. Good luck!
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  My evening at the pub - how many ex-JW's do you think there are?

  by berrygerry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i'm having a pint and talking to the owner and his gf.. she's talking about her line of work - leads to my family history - and that my wife is in a strange religion.. the owner snorts, and says very disdainfully that his ex was a jehovah's witness.

  i said bingo.. then the barmaid pipes in about her grandma and all of her aunts and uncles were witnesses, and were all out.

  but the grandma has witness siblings, so went back after 20 years.

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  There was a thread a while back about a WT article that said something like 2.6 million were baptized over some specific 10 year period, but the increase in publishers was half that. So, there's probably at least 2-3 million, if not more.
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  How old were you when baptized?

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was baptized at the age of 11. like most of us, my commitment wasnt to honor god but rather i was gang pressed into the service of the wtbts.

  and, at such a young age, it was impossible for me to appreciate the enormity of my actions.

  honestly, how could i possibly have known any better?

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  a watcher - Do you mind if I ask if you where coping with an emotionally trying event when you were first contacted or when you first decided that it was 'the truth'?
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  My neighbor is a return visit. Should I say something?

  by Zoos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i stayed home sick from work the other day and noticed a car group pull up to my neighbor's house.

  she's a stay-at-home mom.

  i decided it was time to retrieve something from my truck to see if i could recognize the visiting sisters.

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  I think you should say something. Personally, I don't know how I could live with myself if I didn't say something and they ended up getting sucked in to the cult.

  It's all about delivery, though. I wouldn't approach them right after the JWs leave. Ideally, it should be a chance encounter where you say hi and then just ask sorta off-the-cuff if you'd seen JWs there. Then ask questions to get a feel for where she is mentally, and maybe tell her that you had a bad experience with the group once, and would hate to see it happen to her and refer to jwfacts.com. Make sure that it's clear that your concern is for her, not for sticking it to the JWs.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

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  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  As a non-believer I offer the following Psalm 111:7-9; the promise that god's word essentially will be enduring.

  First off, you could never say that's fullfilled because it doesn't have an end date. The best you could say is that it hasn't failed yet. But that's not even the best argument against why that's not a good indication of divine inspiration.

  If this prophecy wasn't fullfilled, it wouldn't matter anyway. This prophecy fails the 3rd rule in the OP because it does not require special knowledge. To illistrate: I will go on record, right here, right now in predicting that this post will endure forever. I'm now a prophet to anyone who ever reads this post. As long as someone knows this prophecy, the prophecy appears to be true. The only way for the prophecy to fail is if the prophecy itself is no longer around to be considered, so no one would be point it out as having failed. I'm sure that similar prophecies have been made in the past by other (failed) religions, but because the prophecy failed, no one can point them out.