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  Do you think the 'Rama Singh misquote' situation is uncalled for?

  by neat blue dog in

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  let's be honest with ourselves, even if you have an ax to grind with the wts.

  i mean, the quote in question was merely a statement of what he believed to be a fact, or else he wouldn't have said it.

  there was nothing in the quote (and everyone has the right to make accurate quotes under the fair use doctrine), that even remotely suggested that he was pro-creationism or anything like that.

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  OneEyedJoe

  From the 1/1/2003 Watchtower, page 27:

  A THEATER critic for a newspaper once went to see a certain play. He did not much like it and afterward wrote: ‘If triviality is what you happen to be wanting, by all means go and see this play.’ Later, the promoters of the play published an advertisement that featured a quote from the critic’s review. The quote was: ‘By all means go and see this play’! The advertisement accurately quoted the critic’s words, but it lifted them out of context and thus grossly misrepresented his view.
  That example illustrates how important the context of a statement can be. Taking words out of context can distort their meaning, just as Satan distorted the meaning of Scripture when he tried to mislead Jesus. (Matthew 4:1-11) On the other hand, taking the context of a statement into account helps us to get a more accurate understanding of its meaning.

  They condemn themselves. They have themselves stated that lifting a quote out of context in a way that misrepresents the VIEW of the author is akin to what Satan did when attempting to mislead Jesus. Rama Singh's view is that some educated people reject evolution, but this is not a valid stance. The Awake misrepresented his view by using this quote to substantiate that creationism IS a valid stance.

  In no way can this be construed as anything other than outright deception. The hypocrisy is magnified first by their claim to be "the truth" and second by their constant criticism of others for the very kind of hypocrisy that they commit here.

  In short, no this has not been blown out of proportion. We well know that they lie and misrepresent things constantly, but most of their lies are more subtle. In this case, it's right there in black and white. This was an intentional misrepresentation of the truth, and based on their claims about how thoroughly they research and that they can be trusted completely, this is clear evidence to the contrary.
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  Ties at the Kingdom Hall

  by CloseTheDoor in

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  2. beliefs

  couple of weeks ago an elder took a young man aside and crawled all over him after the tms for wearing a "skinny" tie.

  it was one of those 2 inch wide ties.

  nothing bright or scandalous about.

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  God forbid the pagan phallus on your neck be too small.
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  What to say to JWs at a funeral

  by dogon in

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  2. beliefs

  my father passed away this week.

  we are going to have a funeral for him.

  he was not a witness for many years but a lot of his family is still associated.

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  I'd just say thank you. Like you say, it's probably the wrong time to make a thing of it...just acknowledge their intent - to be comforting - and move on.
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  A prospective juror(JW) really ticks of Judge!

  by truthseekeriam in

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  2. friends

  an appellate court has reversed the conviction of a bacliff woman who recorded her boyfriend raping his 14-month-old granddaughter on her cell phone, saying the trial judge tainted the jury by arresting a prospective juror during jury selection.

  alisha marie drake had been sentenced in 2013 to 15 years in prison for using her cell phone to record the act.

  her boyfriend, jason grant, was charged with aggravated sexual assault of a child and possession of child pornography and is awaiting trial.

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  OneEyedJoe

  If you believe in God, God wants you to protect the children.
  

  At this point Juror 48 stood up and said authoritatively, "Not my god! He wants child-rape to be swept under the rug!"

  I don't see why the judge was insistent on this man being a juror. I would have let him go and go on to the next potential juror.
  

  I suppose it might have something to do with people trying anything/everything they can to get out of jury duty.
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  Since man is unable to create life does this mean

  by Crazyguy in

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  does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.

  there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.

  but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?

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  A squirrel can't create a comet either, but that doesn't mean that comets didn't form through entirely unaided processes.
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  is it more likely to be the men or women who leave first?

  by sowhatnow in

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  2. friends

  i was just pondering the other day, is it more likely that a man will leave a religion, or a woman?

  is there a way to know if the men on the site outnumber the women or vice versa as to who found out ttat first and left.. im going to suggest men.

  basically because men in general, do not like to be told what to do.

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  im going to suggest men. basically because men in general, do not like to be told what to do. lol
  

  We must not have know any women in common...

  In reality there are so many factors in play here that I think it's difficult to have a useful discussion of the issues without resorting to over generalization and stereotypes.
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  Another reason god is a terrible "father"

  by _Morpheus in

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  2. beliefs

  its easy to look around and say if a singular all powerful were real he would stop the suffering of man and animal, a position i support.

  however there is another even more basic premise i have pondered at times as well (im sure im not the first of course) : would any loving parent ever hide from their children?

  consider it... our all knowing all loving father hides from us even though we cry out to know him.

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  But but but he had his secretary write us a long-winded and contradictory letter to tell us how to live so that he doesn't have to kill us!
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  Found this article cited on Reddit today, Interesting

  by XBEHERE in

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  2. friends

  in their fantastic book about cognitive dissonance, mistakes were made (but not by me), carol tavris and elliot aronson write about the great psychologist leon festinger who, in 1957, infiltrated a doomsday cult.

  the cult was led by dorothy martin who called herself sister thedra.

  she convinced her followers in chicago an alien spacecraft would suck them up and fly away right as a massive flood ended the human race on december 21, 1954. many of her followers gave away everything they owned, including their homes, as the day approached.

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  Funny when that guy that predicted the end only a few years back in the states was in the news, my Jw mom was rolling her eyes and laughing about how moronic he and his followers were. I cautioned her not to laugh to hard because Jws did the same thing, 1870's 1914 1925 (ancient worthy resurrection) 1975. That guy was not very different and the look on her face was sadly priceless. Like huh? It hit home but dissonance hit back and she went back under the spell.
  

  I think you're talking about Harold Camping. I had a similar experience (though it wasn't intentional) when I and a few others were joking around arrogantly (as JWs often do haha) about how obviously wrong he was. "The bible says no man knows the day or the hour!" etc etc. One older woman said "I don't think we should be joking around about that. A lot of people are still sensitive after what happened in 1975." That sentence was probably one of the top 3 things that led me to eventually look at apostate sites online. When they rehashed the new overlapping generation, I couldn't get the question out of my head "How are we any different than Harold Camping?" That's a question that can't be answered honestly and leave you still wanting to be a JW.
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  Found this article cited on Reddit today, Interesting

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in their fantastic book about cognitive dissonance, mistakes were made (but not by me), carol tavris and elliot aronson write about the great psychologist leon festinger who, in 1957, infiltrated a doomsday cult.

  the cult was led by dorothy martin who called herself sister thedra.

  she convinced her followers in chicago an alien spacecraft would suck them up and fly away right as a massive flood ended the human race on december 21, 1954. many of her followers gave away everything they owned, including their homes, as the day approached.

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  Reading about this was one of the biggest factors that allowed me to break free from the cult - once you understand how even really intelligent people can sometimes get fooled into staying in a cult, it gives you a little more resolve to trust yourself and not just blindly follow because other smart people are doing so. There was one particular elder in my congregation that I appreciated for his intelligence, and that kept me uncertain of the validity of my own doubts.

  If you're interested, the book When Prophecy Fails was written about this cult by Leon Festinger himself.
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  Nothing Says, "I Love You!" Like Institutionalized Shunning!

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

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  may 15, 2105 watchtower, pp.

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  Let's review?