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  JW Religion same as Stock Market/Gambling (Concept)

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for the last few days i was discussing with a colleague of mine at work about the stock market and how some people, even when losing money, they will hold onto their shares because someone said they will rise again.

  this may lead to lost opportunities or even losing all their money instead of de-risking and offsetting loses by buying another stock, in other word jumping ship.. this got me thinking about jws (knowing that i am still in).

  took one step back and looked at our family and what we have done by sticking to this religion.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Yes, much of what keeps many JWs mentally enslaved is what amounts to the sunk cost fallacy.
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  Bullet Head Splane Governing Body Member Improper Skull Devlopment Suggest?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
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  i subject to you some pictures of splane, which can examine and form you own opinion.

  before gb:.

  may i suggest that the before pic he was not so pointy but the after pick he he seems to have gained length with a shrinkage of width.

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  OneEyedJoe

  When you lose your hair it changes the way your head looks more than you'd think.

  Can we please stop with the inane conspiracy theories and seeing every little thing as significant?
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  Watchtower Policy Claims Another Teenager

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a tragic story of how the watchtower unduly influenced or brain washed a 14 year old jehovah's witness into martyrdom.

  the real irony here is the synthetic blood that failed was a hemoglobin solution, and red blood cells are nothing but tiny doughnut shaped bags of hemoglobin.

  any thinking person will conclude that if red cells are blood, then so is hemoglobin.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Alone with his teacher, Dennis said that if he were to die, he might be among the 144,000 believers and nonbelievers chosen to spend eternity in heaven with Jehovah.
  

  Poor kid didn't even understand the doctrine...

  I wonder if they might've been able to save him had the doctor talked to him alone much earlier on, instead of waiting for the elders and other cultists to spend days pressuring him to kill himself 24 hours a day.
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  Antimatter not so different after all ... poor old Freddy wrong again,another light dims in the JW heavens.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  back in the years after ww2, newly discovered antimatter was perceived as destroying ordinary matter, so in one of old freddy's insane nightmares (forget which book, but it was the early 1950's) he envisioned yhwh-jesus hurling antimatter at the hated humans who refused to submit to him, and destroying their bodies bit by bit.. now, his vision dims:.

  antimatter not so different after all.

  scientists help make first measurement of antiproton attraction.

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  OneEyedJoe

  It probably behaves similarly, but it will still annihilate ordinary matter upon contact. You can tell, though, that the JW nonsense about god using antimatter to do his genocide was poorly researched, though. If he did that for just a single person the energy released would be enough to destroy the entire planet.
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  We talk a lot about conditional friends on here

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, when people post about being shunned by their friends, i've heard several posters say things like, "their friendship is conditional.

  real friendships aren't conditional.".

  i'm sorry, but that just isn't really true.. if you and i were friends, there are conditions.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Yeah, I tend to agree. There's conditions to everything. The point, though, is that when those conditions include privately held beliefs/morals or things done in private that don't impact the other party in any way, that's someone attempting to enforce an undue level of control over your life. It's just easier to call it unconditional love than to go into all the ins and outs.

  One other difference is that many people (though they may not get there immediately) can still find it within themselves to wish another person well even after ending a friendship due to being wronged. Even if they no longer wish to pursue the relationship, they can forgive and forget. That, to me, is the only version of unconditional love that can really be said to exist. And much of the time it's wholly absent in JWs. I've heard the most vitriolic slander spoken about people merely because they no longer attend meetings. They haven't even wronged anyone in any way, they simply don't believe it. Yet they are spoken against and many JWs will miss no opportunity to make their life more difficult.

  I get it that when people don't see someone twice a week, their friendship is probably going to drop off and not be as close. People lose touch. That's fine. When people are suggesting that simply because you're not around you're lying, cheating on your spouse, stealing or (honestly, I've heard all of these said about apostates by their family members, and the only justification given was their apostasy) plotting to purchase a bunch of guns and shoot up a kingdom hall - that's the sort of stuff that crosses the line. The fact that most JWs are mentally prepared to treat you like you don't exist merely for failure to believe the insane claims of 7 men in NY demonstrates that not only do they not show unconditional love, but that they don't really love to begin with.
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  Possible crack in the door that I can expose

  by WasOnceBlind in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so on monday when i went to pick up my son from my mom i noticed a framed print out of a poem on my moms living room.

  it was in spanish but i read it and i was kind of surprised at what it said.

  i don't remember it verbatim but i would go as far as to say it had some apostate factors in there.

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  OneEyedJoe

  In my opinion there is a difference between the actual teaching and how most dubs rationalize it in their lives.

  My wife would never agree that only witnesses will survive to the new system but she wouldn't disagree with the WTS viewpoint either. Weird right?

  Maybe the lady that rejected his door knocking efforts did die at armageddon and was resurrected? That would fit dub theology.

  Agreed. When I said something about how JWs believe that only JWs will survive armageddon, she responded "I've never believed that." A friend of mine similarly refuted that belief, indicating that he believed that J will read the hearts of everyone on earth. My question, then, was why are we bothering to preach if he's going to read everyone's heart? If they don't have to do anything more than be good at heart, then why are we going around telling people 'what god requires of them' and just let them be? That's when they start inventing their own theology and saying things about how loving the organization is and how it's the best way of life.

  I myself struggled with this teaching and had to tell myself that they'd gotten it wrong, but that was one of my major doubts. I guess if you're the type that really wants truth, you'll see that pulling one string quickly causes the whole thing to come apart. If you're just in it for the social support or a sense of self-righteousness, you can invent a hastily stacked house of cards made from excuses and as long as you don't touch it, it stays up.

  Then there's the spiteful, bigoted, self-righteous JWs (usually elders) who wholeheartedly believe that anyone who's not a JW will die at armageddon.

  As for the JW theology allowing for the woman to die at armageddon and be resurrected - I don't think that's correct. I think for her to make it she would've had to die moments before armageddon, but if she lasted to armageddon and god had to be the one to kill her, he doesn't bring her back. If, after all, god kills her at armageddon only to bring her back, this could not possibly be just. If Jesus died for everyone's sins, then this would be a needless death.
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  bust fellow worker leaving job 2 hours to go to KH

  by JunkYardDog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the last 2 tuesdays one of my fellow workers would step out for 2 hours.

  tonight he came back with a wt book in spanish .

  i worked with his this man year and never knew he was a jw.. i went into how the wt lied to the mexician gov't just to own the land of the kh's .

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  Typical freeloading, lazy, entitlement-minded, JW moocher. Report his dumb ass to the Boss immediately, and have a good, clean conscious. After all, Jehovah will provide for him.
  

  Yeah, you'll be doing him a favor! We all know that anyone who gets fired for going to meetings will find a better paying job that very same day! Plus it'll be fewer hours and he'll enjoy the work more!
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  WT is a human rights violator according to the definition of state.gov and USA law - time for us to start putting pressure in lawmakers!

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  religious freedom taken from http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper.

  quotingdirectly from the article...."it is the responsibility of governments to safeguard universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the right to life and the freedom of conscience, belief, practice, worship, and to explain and change ones faith.........people cannot enjoy religious freedom unless they have both the right to express their beliefs freely and change their religion without facing persecution, violence, or discrimination.... (ask yourself if the wt article i'm quoting next is allowing the freedom to change religion without discrimination and persecution.

  so with that being said.....is the wt protecting religious freedom?

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  OneEyedJoe

  This is far too complex an issue for it to be feasible to attack directly. At best I think you may get some sort of sanction against tax-exempt (loss of status, maybe) organizations that systematically advocate shunning people merely for changing religions. Or maybe something with regard to the use of shunning as punishment for failure to shun someone else. But there are ways around that. I don't think the government would ever take action to stop or sanction an organization for advocating that you shun people who don't live up to your moral standards, and that's a loophole that's big enough to probably make any government sanctions pointless and ineffective. Anyone with the power to enact some sort of sanction against the WTS would likely see this and decide not to devote any further energy to it.
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  Magazine Demo

  by OzGirl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  two sisters did a magazine demo recently.

  one used her tablet to show a scripture to the other one.

  the second one said: "that looks easier than trying to find it in a book.".

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  OneEyedJoe

  It's all about appearances. They didn't want people using paper printouts at meetings because they used to love to go on and on about how people in other churches didn't open their bibles. Now they're trying to appeal to a younger generation so it's all about technology.

  Another advantage that I'm sure they just love is the way they've now designed the literature to be read from tablets. They've got the scriptures right in there at the end of the chapter, conveniently removed from the context. Now there's much less chance of a JW getting bored at a meeting and reading the context of cited scriptures and realizing that they're misrepresenting the meaning.
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  Halloween / Birthday celebration

  by River Song in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  new to the board, first time posting a topic.

  i just wanted to say how refreshing and sometimes funny it has been lurking here.

  so much so that i decided to sign up to this message board.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Welcome! I always enjoy a good doctor who reference.

  When you go trick or treating with your kids, do you ever have flash flashbacks? I guess the whole experience is pretty positive so hopefully not.

  Have a great day you pagan, you.