JW survey should submit their videos for consideration, then proudly declare that they've won the same award as the JW cult. No better way to demonstrate that they're phoney awards than by "winning" one and documenting the process that it took to get it.
OneEyedJoe
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if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!
by nowwhat? inand we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?
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A poll of sorts: How long have you been a "fader" for?
by SecretSlaveClass ini'm curious about the following:.
1) how long have you been a fader for?.
2) how often do you still get pressure from congregation members and/or family to return as an active witness?.
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OneEyedJoe
1) 1-2 years depending on how this counting.
2) I seem to get the ol' unannounced 2 elder visit every 6 months. Due to the dynamics of my family, I think it's pretty clear that I'd have no problem cutting them off, so they don't push too hard.
3) I don't know any other faders personally
4) I actually look forward to the prospect of being DFed. Only reason I haven't DAed is at the pleading of my still-in wife.
5) kinda hard to tell. I didn't have many cultist friends, but the ones I did have haven't completely cut me off so I guess I'm not being shunned. There might be some in the congregation that would shun me, but I never bump into them so I wouldn't know.
6) no. As stated earlier, I've only faded as a compromise for my wife.
7) I haven't done any cult activities for about a year
8) the cult still controls my wife, and thus has a good amount of power to make my life miserable.
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Whats it like being an atheist and still going to meetings?
by Crazyguy inanyone fall into this category?
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OneEyedJoe
I any imagine it's much different than if someone was a believing Christian going to meetings knowing it's a cult. You just want to tell "WAKE UP!" at everyone sitting there listening to lies and terrible reasoning, wasting their lives. It's very frustrating. When I was going to meetings still, I also had some symptoms of PTSD, but I'm sure that's not because I was/am an atheist. -
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I am losing
by NoMoreHustle ini haven't posted anything for a bit, but wanted to express how i am losing this battle.
it has been over 3 years now since i woke up about watchtower.
the battle that i am talking about is the tug of war with my wife (i adore her immensely), watchtower is winning, she simply will not give in to my so-called negative thoughts about the religion that we are in.
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OneEyedJoe
I'm in the same boat. I'm no longer pretending to be in the cult - I'm trying to build a normal life while my wife is acting like a boat anchor fighting to maintain status quo. It's tough and it may not work out.
Anyway, I've got no advice for you... Nothing's worked for me. But you're not alone.
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Please, tell me.
by andrewlya inhi, i am a christian and i would like to know jehovas witness's belief in god and whether you believe jesus is god.
please, any statements back up with biblical verses,thank you and god bless, in jesus's name.. i am new on here, so please be patient with me :).
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OneEyedJoe
What LG said. They believe Jesus is "the firstborn of all creation" and the son of God. By virtue of the fact that he's the son, he cannot be equal to god. Furthermore the JW bible renders John 1:1 as "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." Note they change this verse from what most translations use (the word was god) to "the word was a god" to imply that this is a statement of his status as a spirit being that is more powerful than a human, but not THE god. Whether this is a faithful translation or not I'll leave up to you to determine. But it is known that the JWs have modified their version of the bible to suit their doctrine, so it wouldn't surprise me if this were a case of that.
Regardless, I wouldn't worry about comparing your religion to this cult. Without knowing your denomination, I can still pretty much guarantee you're better off where you are than in the JW cult. If you're trying to learn about JWs to help someone out of the cult, I would start somewhere other than doctrine.
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Why all the secrecy in Gods organisation?
by Truthexplorer inlooking back and seeing all the secrecy and cover ups throughout wt history such as the secret elders books, the branch correspondence guidelines, the shameful lying and deceipt exposed during the arc questioning, the in-house way of dealing with things, the lack of openness to the media on issues such as blood or child abuse or anything controversial for that matter.
could this relate in some way to russell's alleged past as a freemason?
it seems quite strange that the founder of the bible students quite possibly may have been a freemason, (an organisation well known for its secrecy).
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All cults practice secrecy. The watchtower society is a cult, ergo it practices secrecy. Try not to over think it. -
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Why Faith is Self-Defeating
by cofty inthe god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.
faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?
for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.
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This is a bit of a tangent, but I'm not even completely sure that, in isolation of other factors, the claims of scientology really require more faith to believe than the claims of fundamentalist christianity. It's just easier to believe the christian claims because there are more people who do, and it's seen as "normal." But is Xenu any more implausible than the god of the bible? Are thetans any more implausible than angels and demons? At least scientologists accept evolution. -
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Lovely. 3 days of spittle-flying invective against dirty, evil apostates
You lack vision. There's so many ways JWs can be loyal:
Show loyalty by shunning disfellowshipped (screw that, shun inactive ones too!) family
Show loyalty by giving of "valuable things"
Show loyalty by doing whatever the elders tell you, even if it's immoral or against the law (protecting pedophiles or destroying documents!)
Show loyalty by preaching in the face of opposition (or, more likely, boredom and lack of results)
Show loyalty by not pursuing education
Show loyalty by sticking with it even though all it's done is cause pain (from the sound of it, this is the theme of day 2)
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Are faded jw;s still counted as members by the sect.?
by atomant inlm certain the sect would have an accurate figure would be interesting to know how many though.
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OneEyedJoe
They're not counted in any official figures (unless they go to the memorial still). I would have to agree that I'd be surprised if they weren't tracking some (unreleased) stats on the number of inactive ones that are out there and what their demographics are. These stats are probably a big part of the recent push to contact inactive/dfed ones. That, and they probably realize that publishers are much more productive at reactivating latent indoctrination in those that left but didn't find TTATT vs trying to convert someone they talk to at the door. -
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Did any of us ever enjoy meetings?
by stephanie61092 inthis is a legitimate question.
did any of us ever find real joy in being at the meetings?
did any of us ever finish a meeting and think "i feel so enriched"?
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OneEyedJoe
I did when I was about 12 and could answer up as good as the adults. Made me feel like a grown-up. But that makes sense because the material studied was at roughly a 6th grade level back then (probably 3rd or 4th grade nowadays). After that it was all downhill.