Yeah when you have patients that put outrageous restrictions on their doctors, they will often be forced to go to the best doctors or the doctors using the most modern techniques. It's no surprise that they'd have better outcomes. There's also almost certainly a strong selection bias effect as the riskiest patients are turned away because of their refusal of blood transfusions, so the sample of jws getting the surgery is probably a healthier sample on average than the control. None of that justifies the thousands of needless deaths that the cult had caused with its bullshit doctrines.
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Your thoughts?
by Iamallcool inhttps://www.watoday.com.au/world/jehovahs-witnesses-recover-best-from-surgery-despite-refusing-blood-20120703-21fi1.html .
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Memorial date
by DomineIvimus-DI incan someone please help me with this, if you’ve looked into it before?.
i read somewhere that the witnesses didn’t celebrate the memorial on nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.
i did a quick google check - seems next years memorial is on tuesday (nisan 13) rather than the wednesday, nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.
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OneEyedJoe
The days were counted as starting at sundown so after sundown on Nisan 13 is the start of Nisan 14
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Sex before marriage.
by nicolaou inmrs nic' and i were 16 and 18 years old respectively when we first met at a circuit assembly in corby.
three years later we were married.
we've had a great time, we're very lucky but looking back i can see how crazy it is to put that pressure to marry on teenagers.
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OneEyedJoe
It's only premarital sex if you get married.
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is the watchtower cult the most hated religion ?
by stan livedeath inhated by many members of the public for their ( former ?
) door knocking and preaching at the most inopportune times ( at work for instance ).
hated by former members who are now shunned by family and former friends.. hated by thousands ( millions maybe ) of pimos who only stay for fear of losing wives / family friends.. can you name any religious cult thats even worse ?.
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OneEyedJoe
Given what they've gone through and the baseless accusations still leveled at them regularly I'd say the dubious honor of being the world's most hated religious group ought to go to the Jews. Some Muslims seem to be working hard to claim the title for their side, but given that antisemitism is essentially explicit in islam and implicit in christianity I think the Jews will hold the title for quite some time to come.
Jws are an annoyance at worst to most people since they only kill their own.
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So how "worldly" did you get after you left the "truth"
by greenhornet ini don't drive a 4 door car.
lol.
i go to a local christian church.
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OneEyedJoe
I didn't change a whole lot but I've done plenty of things now that could well get me dfed. Smoked a few cigarettes and weed occasionally and I've done mushrooms (the latter I expect I'll do again sometime) a decent amount of fornicating, got a tattoo, been to a swingers club (it was fun but not really my thing), been in a couple churches, and I've both donated blood and undergone a medical treatment that would've been banned under jw rules. Apart from out and out crimes (though I suppose the drug use falls under that umbrella a bit) and homosexuality I think I've covered my bases pretty well.
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Baptised 52 years today!
by Phoebe injanuary 29th - my baptism date.
can you remember how you felt at your baptism?.
i got baptised because my dad kept frightening me.
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OneEyedJoe
I remember how I felt quite clearly. It felt a lot like I was doing it at gun point, and jehovah was the one with his finger on the trigger. Of course my father's constant reminders that I needed to do it added some weight to it, and he's the one that planted the seed of the idea that god was withholding happiness from me because I wasn't baptized.
The man that gave the talk prior to the baptism forgot to say "Amen" after the prayer, and since no one knew he was done until he just carried on talking normally (though I can't describe it, I suspect everyone here can relate to being able to tell by the tone of a man's voice that he's praying) so no one getting baptized said it either. I imagined that meant that it wasn't official, which quite suited me.
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Anti vaccines
by blisterfeet ini personally feel that vaccinations are beneficial.
there has been a modern movement that vaccinations are more harmful than beneficial to which i disagree.
what is your stance as an ex jw on vaccinating your children?
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OneEyedJoe
No, many vaccines rely on "herd protection". Once enough people become susceptible to a disease or virus the protection for all can become compromised (but the unvaccinated are usually at much greater risk).
As I said earlier, there are those who cannot be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons and who may have a weakened immune system putting themselves at much greater risk. Those who refuse vaccination for pure quackery and selfish reasons put those at greater risk than they should be.
This is literally the only reason I've spent more than half a minute being mad about the idiocy of anti-vaxxers. If it only harmed their kids, I'd hail it as a triumph of darwinism and a valuable push away from a future resembling the movie idiocracy. The collateral damage - the immunocompromised and those with real allergies to the vaccines that are now more likely to get sick and die - is absolutely unconscionable in civilized society. If you want to be in public spaces you should be required to be vaccinated unless you have a real medical reason not to be.
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Anti vaccines
by blisterfeet ini personally feel that vaccinations are beneficial.
there has been a modern movement that vaccinations are more harmful than beneficial to which i disagree.
what is your stance as an ex jw on vaccinating your children?
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OneEyedJoe
Even if vaccines caused autism at the rates found in the fraudulent study that started this nonsense, it would still be the rational choice to vaccinate your children. The likelihood of a child dying due to not being vaccinated is higher than the likelihood that the vaccine would cause autism that was found by the (again, fraudulent) study.
Another interesting thing to note is that after the study was revealed to be fraudulent, the anti-vaxxer movement started talking less about vaccines causing autism and started focusing on other supposed problems with vaccinations - that they contain scary sounding chemicals, or that they contain a portion of the disease causing virus and are therefore likely to cause an outbreak or that they somehow prevent the "natural" development of the immune system, etc. Anytime you find yourself defending a belief that was founded on bad evidence (i.e. a fraudulent study by a later discredited scientist) with new evidence that conveniently seems to justify the exact position you came to on bad evidence, you need to look very carefully and honestly at your reasoning because it's far more likely that you're rationalizing a false belief than that you came to a true belief based on bad evidence.
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The stuff JWs get right
by HowTheBibleWasCreated insince today there is a post about jws and science i thought it right to throw them a bone and see if they have anything right:.
1. round earth (lol).
2. old universe (13.7 billion years).
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OneEyedJoe
Have they ever actually come out and said #2 and #3? I thought they always just vaguely said that they were "thousands of years old." I remember a CO talking about the universe being almost 14 billion years old but I don't think I ever saw it in print. They used to teach that the universe was ~49000 years old (each of the days of creation being 7000 years) and they never officially retracted that, they just stopped saying it explicitly and always seemed to phrase things in a way that doesn't contradict that teaching but is still technically accurate (e.g. the universe is many thousands of years old).
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Coping with a change of heart
by Strugglingrsa inafter 24 years of active service as a witness my marriage came to an end causing massive trauma.during this tragic life event for a period of approx 8 months i went haywire.
drinking.
partying.smoking.i was disfellowshipped.i met a wonderful non witness along the way and am remarried.what i don't get is this.if an announcement was made that i am no longer a jehovahs witness then why does the bible principle in corinthians about not even greeting he who calls himself a brother still apply.
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OneEyedJoe
It sounds like you need to spend some time really coming to terms with what the cult did and the mind control that was involved. I suggest you check out jwfacts.com if you haven't already. freedomofmind.com is another good resource. I definitely found the book by Steven Hassan that I read very helpful when I was leaving the cult. Really understanding what has been done to you goes a long way toward taking away its power.
Disfellowshipping isn't about helping people or anything like that - you're absolutely right that if the true motivation was to help someone who has stumbled the best thing in most cases is to continue to show love to that person. Disfellowshipping is about making an example of those that dare think for themselves and keeping an implicit threat in the minds of every JW as well as preventing anyone who realizes that they've been systematically lied to for their entire lives from being able to help those that are still under the spell. The bible is just used as post-hoc justification for the same sort of policy that all cults use to control their members.