They love to use words like thus (as they do here) or evidently to imply that they've laid sufficient groundwork to reach the conclusion that they've drawn. I don't think I've ever seen a more clear example than this of them just jumping to their preferred conclusion, though.
OneEyedJoe
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Richness of personality seems to work against spiritual-mindedness,
by snugglebunny inare you bland enough?
just incredible imho.
wt 63, 2/15.
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Jordan Peterson - Messiah or Poseur?
by cofty ina jp video came up on my youtube feed last week - he was on a panel in front of a huge audience and some poor disturbed guy ran on stage and started crying and wailing to peterson that he needed his help.
it was agonising to watch.. what was even more disturbing was the comments section.
i do not exaggerate when i say that dozens of people were extolling peterson's wisdom as if jesus had come again.
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OneEyedJoe
Sometimes I want to like him, like when he seemed to change his mind on the spot about anti-discrimination laws (I think this was during a Jim Jeffries show episode) when faced with facts he seemed not to have considered. He seems to think fairly clearly on a lot of topics that are currently confusing a lot of leftists, but when it comes to religious/spiritual/literary topics, he seems like a great example of what happens when a very intelligent person falls in love with their own ideas and decides there is no valid criticism of them. His regular excuse of "it'd take me 40 hours to answer that" or "I'd have to write a 600 page book on that" response to simple questions on religions topics ("do you believe Jesus literally died and was resurrected" or "if all humans ceased to exist would god still exist") is infuriating
Watching him dance around his claim that no one can give up smoking without a supernatural experience in conversation with Matt dillahunty was painful. His confused way of defining truth in conversation with Sam Harris, doubly so.
To the extent that he says anything true and useful, there are people out there doing so much more clearly and honestly. He seems mostly to be taking advantage (though, it seems to me that he's doing so unintentionally and out of genuine belief in his own nonsense) of intellectually lazy people that are in search of meaning and want to imagine themselves to have formed an intellectually interesting and novel worldview.
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Everybody's getting old
by neat blue dog inat an assembly in texas is it me or are there not too many young folk about 😉.
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OneEyedJoe
This is actually my old assembly hall. The picture appears to have been taken about half way from the back of one of the back sections - you can kinda see the additional section to the right but the picture is missing two sections to the left. Assembly attendence was usually a hair over 1000 when I was in, and it was probably about 50-75% full.
This one is located just west of Denton, TX.
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Your thoughts?
by Iamallcool inhttps://www.watoday.com.au/world/jehovahs-witnesses-recover-best-from-surgery-despite-refusing-blood-20120703-21fi1.html .
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OneEyedJoe
Yeah when you have patients that put outrageous restrictions on their doctors, they will often be forced to go to the best doctors or the doctors using the most modern techniques. It's no surprise that they'd have better outcomes. There's also almost certainly a strong selection bias effect as the riskiest patients are turned away because of their refusal of blood transfusions, so the sample of jws getting the surgery is probably a healthier sample on average than the control. None of that justifies the thousands of needless deaths that the cult had caused with its bullshit doctrines.
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Memorial date
by DomineIvimus-DI incan someone please help me with this, if you’ve looked into it before?.
i read somewhere that the witnesses didn’t celebrate the memorial on nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.
i did a quick google check - seems next years memorial is on tuesday (nisan 13) rather than the wednesday, nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.
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OneEyedJoe
The days were counted as starting at sundown so after sundown on Nisan 13 is the start of Nisan 14
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Sex before marriage.
by nicolaou inmrs nic' and i were 16 and 18 years old respectively when we first met at a circuit assembly in corby.
three years later we were married.
we've had a great time, we're very lucky but looking back i can see how crazy it is to put that pressure to marry on teenagers.
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It's only premarital sex if you get married.
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is the watchtower cult the most hated religion ?
by stan livedeath inhated by many members of the public for their ( former ?
) door knocking and preaching at the most inopportune times ( at work for instance ).
hated by former members who are now shunned by family and former friends.. hated by thousands ( millions maybe ) of pimos who only stay for fear of losing wives / family friends.. can you name any religious cult thats even worse ?.
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OneEyedJoe
Given what they've gone through and the baseless accusations still leveled at them regularly I'd say the dubious honor of being the world's most hated religious group ought to go to the Jews. Some Muslims seem to be working hard to claim the title for their side, but given that antisemitism is essentially explicit in islam and implicit in christianity I think the Jews will hold the title for quite some time to come.
Jws are an annoyance at worst to most people since they only kill their own.
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So how "worldly" did you get after you left the "truth"
by greenhornet ini don't drive a 4 door car.
lol.
i go to a local christian church.
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I didn't change a whole lot but I've done plenty of things now that could well get me dfed. Smoked a few cigarettes and weed occasionally and I've done mushrooms (the latter I expect I'll do again sometime) a decent amount of fornicating, got a tattoo, been to a swingers club (it was fun but not really my thing), been in a couple churches, and I've both donated blood and undergone a medical treatment that would've been banned under jw rules. Apart from out and out crimes (though I suppose the drug use falls under that umbrella a bit) and homosexuality I think I've covered my bases pretty well.
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Baptised 52 years today!
by Phoebe injanuary 29th - my baptism date.
can you remember how you felt at your baptism?.
i got baptised because my dad kept frightening me.
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I remember how I felt quite clearly. It felt a lot like I was doing it at gun point, and jehovah was the one with his finger on the trigger. Of course my father's constant reminders that I needed to do it added some weight to it, and he's the one that planted the seed of the idea that god was withholding happiness from me because I wasn't baptized.
The man that gave the talk prior to the baptism forgot to say "Amen" after the prayer, and since no one knew he was done until he just carried on talking normally (though I can't describe it, I suspect everyone here can relate to being able to tell by the tone of a man's voice that he's praying) so no one getting baptized said it either. I imagined that meant that it wasn't official, which quite suited me.
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Anti vaccines
by blisterfeet ini personally feel that vaccinations are beneficial.
there has been a modern movement that vaccinations are more harmful than beneficial to which i disagree.
what is your stance as an ex jw on vaccinating your children?
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No, many vaccines rely on "herd protection". Once enough people become susceptible to a disease or virus the protection for all can become compromised (but the unvaccinated are usually at much greater risk).
As I said earlier, there are those who cannot be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons and who may have a weakened immune system putting themselves at much greater risk. Those who refuse vaccination for pure quackery and selfish reasons put those at greater risk than they should be.
This is literally the only reason I've spent more than half a minute being mad about the idiocy of anti-vaxxers. If it only harmed their kids, I'd hail it as a triumph of darwinism and a valuable push away from a future resembling the movie idiocracy. The collateral damage - the immunocompromised and those with real allergies to the vaccines that are now more likely to get sick and die - is absolutely unconscionable in civilized society. If you want to be in public spaces you should be required to be vaccinated unless you have a real medical reason not to be.