Posts by insidetheKH

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jw.org cart days numbered?

by jookbeard in

reading a report of an elder in a friends cong has been hiding and spying on the pioneers who seem to have a practise of dumping the cart and finding a local coffee shop, i've noticed that they do this in my local high street as well but this week they seemed to be all huddled around the cart, they've clearly been warned, a vast percentage of the time i see they seem to be more interested in fiddling with their mobile phones and gossiping, is just seems these carts are a means for the pioneers to turn in "easy time" i wonder what sort of figures show how much literature is being taken by the public?

i bet its very minimal.

naturally the gb would say they are a phenomenal success , we clearly know they are not.

insidetheKH

@Village probably because all those inactive others and ex-jws that left years or decades ago do not man a cart.

They speak about what they observe during a few minutes or from their own prejudices. I speak from my own real-life experience

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jw.org cart days numbered?

by jookbeard in

reading a report of an elder in a friends cong has been hiding and spying on the pioneers who seem to have a practise of dumping the cart and finding a local coffee shop, i've noticed that they do this in my local high street as well but this week they seemed to be all huddled around the cart, they've clearly been warned, a vast percentage of the time i see they seem to be more interested in fiddling with their mobile phones and gossiping, is just seems these carts are a means for the pioneers to turn in "easy time" i wonder what sort of figures show how much literature is being taken by the public?

i bet its very minimal.

naturally the gb would say they are a phenomenal success , we clearly know they are not.

insidetheKH

My personal experience is that a lot of books and brochures are placed with the carts. In our territory we use two locations for the carts. One is near a high school and university the other one is on a busy open-air citymarket.

people approach the carts and decide themselves if they would like to take some literature. If they take something it is because they really want it.

Young people often take the Young People ask books and brochures on creation. At the market it is more bible teach books that are taken.

If i compare two hours door to door work with two hours with a cart i must say from my own experience that the two hours with a cart yield better results. When going door to door most people that are visited are not interested. But every time i am with a cart i have spoken with a number of people that show interest and approached me instead of the other way around and decided to take some literature.

In the back of the cart we keep a notebook and write down all experiences and placements and so i can see that others have the same experience when using the cart

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Mormon view of JW.ORG

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

does anyone have any links to how the mormons (or ex mormons for that matter) view the changes that the wts has made over recent years, especially the growth of jw.org and characters like caleb & sophia?.

have they noticed?

do they see similarities?

insidetheKH

@sir82 the changing political situation in eastern europe and the change for the better for the JW's during the 90's, as well as their growth, is a well known fact.

Just take a look at the yearbooks and check it yourself,.. i just grabbed two yearbooks ('94 and '96) from the 90's (figures of 1993 and 1995) from the bookshelf reporting 29% growth in 1993 for the countries of the former Soviet Union in 1995 50% growth in the 10 countries of the former Soviet Union

Also there are studies about the changing in households as i mentioned.

In my country (a typical industrialised western democracy with a thriving economy) a special government agency, called the central bureau of statistics, keeps track of such data and its a fact that nowadays both spouses work instead of just one with a main income during previous decades.

That means that in previous decades much more people were at home during the days.

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Mormon view of JW.ORG

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

does anyone have any links to how the mormons (or ex mormons for that matter) view the changes that the wts has made over recent years, especially the growth of jw.org and characters like caleb & sophia?.

have they noticed?

do they see similarities?

insidetheKH

@sir82 but that does not tell us what you think it does.

For example JW's were forbidden in the former Soviet Union and East European states. So after 1990 the bans were lifted and Jehovah's Witnesses became a legal religion. The result,.. phenomenal growth during the years that followed,.. the 90's,

So the higher number of baptisms and growth can be explained easily it was not because of a certain amount of hours and effort but because of other political circumstances and improved human rights. So after that initial high growth and peak in those countries the situation normalised and a a normal growth rate remained.

Also times change. For example, during the 80's and 90's in many countries there were more people at home during the day than there are nowadays because of more traditional values and customs during previous decades. But today in many countries both males and females have full time jobs.

The result,... when you are out in service during the mornings a lot of doors wont open. It does not mean that people are less receptive...or that it take more hours now to convince a person,... but they are simply not at home.

That is why for example this year they are poundering in the KM (see for example the KM of April 2015) on field service at night or the late afternoon and through mobile carts.

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Mormon view of JW.ORG

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

does anyone have any links to how the mormons (or ex mormons for that matter) view the changes that the wts has made over recent years, especially the growth of jw.org and characters like caleb & sophia?.

have they noticed?

do they see similarities?

insidetheKH

@millie why would you need that?

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Are the USA and Russia the key actors in end time prophecy?

by scotoma in

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friends

what's the problem with prophecy?prophecy primarily requires a pattern recognition or insightful strategy not an analytical strategy.

prophecy rarely gives names whether of empires or their rulers.

even the name of the messiah - yeshua -wasn't foretold.

insidetheKH

the doomsday clock is not based on nuclear threats only since 2007 it also reflects climate change and new developments in the life sciences and technology that could inflict irrevocable harm to humanity

The most recent officially announced setting—three minutes to midnight (11:57 pm)—was made on January 22, 2015 due to climate change, the modernization of nuclear weapons in the U.S and Russia, and the problem of nuclear waste.

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Mormon view of JW.ORG

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

does anyone have any links to how the mormons (or ex mormons for that matter) view the changes that the wts has made over recent years, especially the growth of jw.org and characters like caleb & sophia?.

have they noticed?

do they see similarities?

insidetheKH

@millie i think because of a combination of secularisation and the preaching work. Churches are running empty in Europe the traditional denominations are dying. A lot of people are dissapointed in their churches, church leaders and teachings.

besides that SDA's do not preach so are not well known in Europe. Mormons do preach but only a very few (only young american missionaries for a two year period). The rest of the Mormons in a country do not go door to door. There are only about 80,000 mormon missionaries worldwide.

Contrary to that all JW's in a country preach and go door to door. So those dissapointed church people are not visited by SDA's or Mormons. Instead of that they are visited by JW's,.. not foreign JW's or missionaries but just local JW's that speak their european languages and are familar with the country and local customs.

That is why there is a difference in Europe between member figures of JW's , Mormons and SDA's

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Mormon view of JW.ORG

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

does anyone have any links to how the mormons (or ex mormons for that matter) view the changes that the wts has made over recent years, especially the growth of jw.org and characters like caleb & sophia?.

have they noticed?

do they see similarities?

insidetheKH

Millie said: "In spite of all the spin and the "get out there and preach!" The SDA still leads the JWs and with a much more laid back approach. Go figure!"

Not really. In Africa there are a lot of SDA's but if you look at the 2011 statistics per country you see that in most of the European countries JW's have a massive lead compared to SDA's and Mormons

few examples

Germany

MEMBERSHIP
Latter-day Saint: 38,668
Seventh Day Adventist: 35,119
Jehovah's Witness: 165,387

Italy MEMBERSHIP
Latter-day Saint: 24,443
Seventh Day Adventist: 9,315
Jehovah's Witness: 245,657

France MEMBERSHIP
Latter-day Saint: 36,403
Seventh Day Adventist: 12,849
Jehovah's Witness: 123,277

Russia MEMBERSHIP
Latter-day Saint: 21,418
Seventh Day Adventist: 50,027
Jehovah's Witness: 165,447

Greece MEMBERSHIP
Latter-day Saint: 740
Seventh Day Adventist: 559
Jehovah's Witness: 29,143

Poland MEMBERSHIP
Latter-day Saint: 1,716
Seventh Day Adventist: 5,781
Jehovah's Witness: 126,196

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Mormon view of JW.ORG

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

does anyone have any links to how the mormons (or ex mormons for that matter) view the changes that the wts has made over recent years, especially the growth of jw.org and characters like caleb & sophia?.

have they noticed?

do they see similarities?

insidetheKH

Mormon study about the growth rate of JW's , SDA's and Mormons here

http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=view_other_articles&story_id=497&cat_id=30

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Their delusion run-ith over in today WT study rag mag.

by Crazyguy in

i noticed that in paragraph 13 they mention the girl sheryl that i believe was the same girl that was in their video about the typhoon that hit the philippines back in 2013. they talk as if she's so happy and thankful to jehovah even mention that she lost most of her family in that typhoon.

what they don't mention was her family members that were killed in that typhoon were inside a kh thinking they were going to be protected by jehovah since they were in gods house and his people and all.

they also fail to mention that the government authorities were telling people to get out of town but the elders were most likely telling the people in their congregations to stick around and just come to the hall.

insidetheKH

Crazyguy: " What they don't mention was her family members that were killed in that typhoon were inside a KH thinking they were going to be protected by Jehovah since they were in gods house and his people and all.

What really happened:

TACLOBAN, Philippines, Nov 13 (Reuters) - Dead bodies clog the basement of the Tacloban City Convention Centre. The dazed evacuees in its sports hall are mostly women and children. the bodies illustrate another, more troubling truth: the evacuation centre itself became a death trap, as many of those huddling in the basement perished in a tsunami-like swirl of water.

Those with the foresight to evacuate flimsy homes along the coast gathered in concrete structures not strong enough to withstand the six-metre (20-ft) storm surges that swept through Tacloban, capital of the worst-hit Leyte province.

The Philippines, no stranger to natural disasters, was unprepared for Haiyan's fury.
"Now, looking back, the preparations were not enough, especially in Tacloban. What we did not prepare for was the breakdown in local functions," said Lucille Sering, secretary of the government's Climate Change Commission.
Budget Secretary Florencio Abad said the government's response this time was faster than previous disasters.

"We saw something that is really unprecedented," Abad said. "I don't think we could have prepared for this."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/13/philippines-typhoon-preparation_n_4266238.html

MANILA, Philippines – Hours before Typhoon Haiyan hit, Philippine authorities moved 800,000 people to sturdy evacuation centers -- churches, schools and public buildings. But the brick-and-mortar structures were simply no match for the jet-force winds and massive walls of waves that swept ashore Friday, devastating cities, towns and villages and killing thousands, including many of those who had huddled in government shelters. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/11/philippines-prepared-for-typhoon-haiyan-but-evacuation-sites-couldnt-withstand/

Roughly a million people are in shelters scattered around 20 provinces, Haiyan's powerful winds could potentially blow off the roofs of storm-proof buildings and suck out their walls due to the sheer force of its energy, experts have said.
"There aren't too many buildings constructed that can withstand that kind of wind," meteorology expert Jeff Masters told the Associated Press of Haiyan's 195mph landfall. "The wind damage should be the most extreme in Philippines history." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/08/typhoon-haiyan-batters-philippines

It was the worst and stronghest typhoon ever to make landfall in history. Of course JW's do not believe that Jehovah protects them when random natural disasters struck!

Unfortunately about 40 JW's out of the more than 185,000 on the Philipines lost their lives,