Posts by insidetheKH

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Preaching is a waste of time

by konceptual99 in

before anyone gives me the "bears/wood" similarities, this is a post based on insidethekh's reply on the mormon v jw thread.

(http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/287545/1/who-is-copying-who-jws-or-mormons) i like to see wt friendly posts on here as some of the wt bashing displays the same logical fallacies as levelled against the wts and it's followers so it's good to consider reasoned debate.. on the one hand i think itkh makes a fair point if you compare the worldwide success of mormons v jws but there is an overall context to the preaching work that is completely ignored by those fully "in" and has been a major factor in my move from being an active witness to one on the cusp of getting out.

from a statistical point of view there are great headline numbers presented by the wts but if you put them in the context of the number of witnesses, conversation ratios, ratio of new witnesses to birth rates, numbers that must be leaving, growth differentials across the globe, penetration in muslim nations and so on then these numbers become meaningless.

insidetheKH

@theredeemer i am fully aware of the statistics. I live next to a LDS Ward. Active membership within the mormon world is about 5 million. The number you mention is inflated since it includes inactive members and everyone who is baptised no matter if you still show up or tithe or not.

If JW'S would count like that they would exceed 20 million (on the memorial alone they had 19.5 million attendants this year)

Everyone who is really interested in this subject Mormons vs JW's and growth statistics should read some studies and essays of this LDS Mormon website

http://www.cumorah.com/

One of their conclusions is :

The percentage increase in the number of Adventist and Witness congregations has dramatically outpaced growth rates for the LDS Church in nearly every nation where all three denominations operate.

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Who is copying who? Jws or Mormons?

by stuckinarut2 in

it amazes me!.

witnesses go on about how "blessed we are to have the website and all the content from jehovah etc".

but i have been noticing the parallels between jws and the mormons!.

insidetheKH

the uniqueness of the JW.ORG website is the ever growing and unmatched number of languages wherein a massive amount of spiritual content can be obtained.

If you look at it on a worldwide scale Jehovah's Witnesses do a much better job. They exist for a shorter period of time but managed to get a much larger number of followers in almost any country outside of the U.S. For example in my (european) country all people have had witnesses at their doorstep but almost none ever saw a mormon show up.

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JW'S BANNED AS EXTREMEIST IN RUSSIAN REGION

by NoMoreHustle in

has anybody else seen this article?.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/jehovah-s-witnesses-banned-as-extremist-in-russian-region/511221.html.

depends on how you look at this but this can be bad for us that are still in because:.

insidetheKH

the same sort of lies and propaganda tactics that islamic and arabic tv stations use or the Nazis used against certain groups. There are even clear examples of that on youtube. For example a news coverage from the state sponsored Russian Today TV channel.

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JW'S BANNED AS EXTREMEIST IN RUSSIAN REGION

by NoMoreHustle in

has anybody else seen this article?.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/jehovah-s-witnesses-banned-as-extremist-in-russian-region/511221.html.

depends on how you look at this but this can be bad for us that are still in because:.

insidetheKH

nothing new on the horizon they have problems , arrests, razzia's , confiscations of literature and real estate , imprisonment and much more of that for years now in several parts of Russia and countries that were part of the former soviet union. This ban in Samara is just a part of that problem.

Russia is becoming a dictatorstate again with no free press and no independent justice system, no independent media. These actions against the witnesses are instignated by the Russian Orthodox Church. The Patriarch of that Church even lives inside the Kremlin since 2011. I have seen television programs full of lies and propaganda on russian state television about Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Witnesses will appeal to the ECHR but that will not help them, even if they win the case , because Russia does not listen to any institution.

It's sad for the witnesses overthere because life becomes very hard for them. I have several friends (JW's) in St Petersburg. But in the end it will not change anything. Jehovah's Witnesses will stay there and will continue to do their 'work' nothing can or will stop that.

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JW's donations going to sexual abuse cases?

by Ginx in

i read somewhere on the internet (don't recall what site it was) that jw's donations are going towards sexual abuse cases.. is this true?.

where can i find solid evidence regarding this matter?.

.

insidetheKH

Financially the WTS is like the Nintendo of religion.. Nintendo has enough cash in the bank to run a deficit for 38 years

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Jehovah's organization growing like never before: but bible studies are way down. Huh?

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

so the governing body likes to keep claiming incredible growth.

at the same time they claim bible studies are way down.

are the finally admitting what we've known all along, that they can no longer recruit outsiders?

insidetheKH

@Witness007 that is BS. In the United states they did grow during the 2 decades of Internet

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JW's donations going to sexual abuse cases?

by Ginx in

i read somewhere on the internet (don't recall what site it was) that jw's donations are going towards sexual abuse cases.. is this true?.

where can i find solid evidence regarding this matter?.

.

insidetheKH

In the Candace Conti case nothing has been paid yet.

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JW's donations going to sexual abuse cases?

by Ginx in

i read somewhere on the internet (don't recall what site it was) that jw's donations are going towards sexual abuse cases.. is this true?.

where can i find solid evidence regarding this matter?.

.

insidetheKH

besides that the amounts would be not more than just a drop out of a huge bucket,.. what do you know about insurance?

read for example http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/07/insurance_for_sex_abuse.html

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Underrated topic: Gazprom contract with CCJW in the Netherlands

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

i posted some days earlier a toppic about the contract between the russian state owned energy supplier gazprom and the ccjw.

here in the netherlands for all the kingdom hall's gas and electricity.. the contract is chosen by ccjw because gazprom is the cheapest suplier.

with the heated debat here in holland because of the mh17 shooting and.

insidetheKH

Gazprom Energy is a new player on the dutch energy market for businesses. The dutch branch (located in Den Bosch) is now active for some 3 years and has also branches in the UK , Ireland, France and Germany. The gas is not from Gazprom but delivered by GTS (Gas Transport Services formerly known as Gasunie) . GTS is an international gas trader and 100% state owned by the dutch government.

The electricity is also not russian. They do not produce energy in western europe but buy it from europes providers a and sell it again at a more compettitive rate.

Many companies and also our dutch governent has got deals with gazprom in russia of gazprom energy in the Netherlands. The situation with MH17, Ukraine or human rights did not influence that at all.

Big chance you heat your home and prepare your food with russian gas too because a lot of the gas (if not most) on their network is norwegian and russian.

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JW's donations going to sexual abuse cases?

by Ginx in

i read somewhere on the internet (don't recall what site it was) that jw's donations are going towards sexual abuse cases.. is this true?.

where can i find solid evidence regarding this matter?.

.

insidetheKH

not at all