designs If you want to debunk the Watchtower, the best way is to use firstly the Bible to show that the GB is distorting the context of many passage. If you begin by debunking the Bible, witnesses will reject you.
opusdei1972
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Members of the writing department has resigned
by hardtobeme inthis is what i found at anointedjw.org.
i don't know if it's true.
on august 25, 2014, we received the following comment and inquiry: .
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Members of the writing department has resigned
by hardtobeme inthis is what i found at anointedjw.org.
i don't know if it's true.
on august 25, 2014, we received the following comment and inquiry: .
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opusdei1972
objectivetruth May be the Study Edition of November 2014 has radicalized some doctrinal points (like the blood ban) as a reaction of some winds of apostasy. This happened with the Watchtower during the critical days of the 80s after Raymond, Dunlap, and others, were disfellowshipped. As I see, the Watchtower is demanding more loyalty, because, may be, there are inner revolts.
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Members of the writing department has resigned
by hardtobeme inthis is what i found at anointedjw.org.
i don't know if it's true.
on august 25, 2014, we received the following comment and inquiry: .
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opusdei1972
We can also share with you that certain members of the Governing Body are having a crisis of conscience. Some of them see death as their solution and means of escape. But there are a few who are being tormented in spirit with many sleepless nights and are prayerfully seeking a way to extricate themselves from their error
If this were true, I doubt that Gerrit Losch is one of them. He is the most sinister mind of the GB after Freddy. Losch is the first against the University. This is my take.
The second one is A. Morris, who is the most stupid. I doubt these two are having a crisis of conscience.
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by hardtobeme inthis is what i found at anointedjw.org.
i don't know if it's true.
on august 25, 2014, we received the following comment and inquiry: .
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opusdei1972
I think that "Anointed Witnesses" are doing a good work in debunking the Watchtower Society. I agree that if you want to be a christian who believe in the NT as inspired, it is absurd to divide the Lord's Supper in two classes. The Society's argument about the "two classes" is easy to destroy. This is a good starting point to show to the Witnesses that their leaders are misleading them.
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HOW TO AVOID THE A-HOLE SPIRIT OF SOME HERE...
by DATA-DOG in1) take meds for your megalomania and delusions of grandeur.. .
suggestions welcome.. .
dd.
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opusdei1972
I come from an ex-jw forum in which a guy started to insult me because I began to write posts against the inerrancy of the Bible. The guy claims to have a degree in theology. So, they told me that "I am a vulgar ignorant". After that, I noticed that some christians, who were Witnesses, are still Witnesses in certain sense. .....However, I found here a freedom to show my thoughts.
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welcome
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How many Isaiah's prophecies of chapter 19 were fulfilled?
by opusdei1972 ini have read the chapter 19 of isaiah, which scholars of high criticism believe to be authentic, of isaiah himself.
in this chapter there are more than one prophecy for egypt.
my question is, how many of them you found fullfilled and unfulfilled?....
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I have read the chapter 19 of Isaiah, which scholars of high criticism believe to be authentic, of Isaiah himself. In this chapter there are more than one prophecy for Egypt. My question is, how many of them you found fullfilled and unfulfilled?.... for instance, I have read that some people affirm that verse 16 has already been fulfilled because Israel is currently militarily much greater than Egypt. Ok, but there are other prophecies that I found incredible. ...well, I invite you to read the chapter 19 here :
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa%C3%ADas+19&version=NIVUK
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Debunking the Bible
by Coded Logic inthere seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.
anyone know any simple arguements for this?
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1.There was a Jesus
2.He did some amazing things and inspired followers who didn't know what to make of him.
3.He gave specific instruction which weren't clearly understood.
4.When he was put to death there was a huge shakeup
5.Many claimed to see him and talk to him AFTER he died.
Yes,...I am following the line of Raymond Brown (a scholar Catholic priest) and Antonio Piñero (a spanish liberal and secular scholar), and some of Bart Ehrman. They agree that there is a little core of true facts in the four Gospels, but much of them are tampered stories. So, to sumarize, Jesus was a religious Jew who met John the Baptist, and did amazing things, as some modern people, but his crucifixion was unexpected even by him. Then, the disciples tried to justify these facts by quoting and reconfiguring passages of the Old Testament. This led to an interesting social phenomenom, because it initialy created a religious comunity with social protection without racial discrimination (Pauline christianity), someting that worked well in the oppressive world of that time.
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Misleading explanation for the fulfillment of the Prophecy against Tyre
by opusdei1972 inas we know, nebuchadnezzar could not conquer the island of tyre, so he could not fulfill what was predicted in ezekiel chapter 26. many years later, ezekiel admitted that the prediction failed in chapter 29:.
17 and it came to pass in the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, that the word of the lord came to me, saying, 18 son of man, nebuchadnezzar king of babylon caused his army to labor strenuously against tyre; every head was made bald, and every shoulder rubbed raw; yet neither he nor his army received wages from tyre, for the labor which they expended on it.
19 therefore thus says the lord god: surely i will give the land of egypt to nebuchadnezzar king of babylon; he shall take away her wealth, carry off her spoil, and remove her pillage; and that will be the wages for his army.
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As I see, the tablet (BM33041) does not say where the battle was, and as I said, at worse, Amasis lost the battle and went back to Egypt. But as the many records of the activity of the Amasis' reign reveal, "the land of Egypt" (read Ezekiel 29:20) was not given to Nebuchadnezzar nor to his sucessor. Furthermore, the 40 years of desolation of the land and of the egyptian exodus, were intended to be taken literally:
13 Further, thus says the Lord God : At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the peoples among whom they were scattered; 14 and I will restore the fortunes of Egypt, and bring them back to the land of Pathros, the land of their origin; and there they shall be a lowly kingdom. (Ezekiel 29:13-14)
otherwise, the above words would not make sense.
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Misleading explanation for the fulfillment of the Prophecy against Tyre
by opusdei1972 inas we know, nebuchadnezzar could not conquer the island of tyre, so he could not fulfill what was predicted in ezekiel chapter 26. many years later, ezekiel admitted that the prediction failed in chapter 29:.
17 and it came to pass in the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, that the word of the lord came to me, saying, 18 son of man, nebuchadnezzar king of babylon caused his army to labor strenuously against tyre; every head was made bald, and every shoulder rubbed raw; yet neither he nor his army received wages from tyre, for the labor which they expended on it.
19 therefore thus says the lord god: surely i will give the land of egypt to nebuchadnezzar king of babylon; he shall take away her wealth, carry off her spoil, and remove her pillage; and that will be the wages for his army.
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Perry: The Babylonians led by Nebuchadnezzar defeated the Egyptians but did not conquer Egypt. The refererence quoted by Wikipedia is from the book "Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon" (Wiseman, 1983). I did not get that book, but I would like to read in it what is the proof for that assertion. As far as I know there is no such a proof. Nebuchadnezzar, as a king, fought against two egyptian kings, namely, Hophra (589 - 570 BCE) and Amasis II (570-526 BCE). Before Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem in 587 BCE, Hophra went against him to help the king of Judah, Zedekiah. Hophra and his army were defeated by Nebuchadnezzar but not conquered by him, because Hophra could went back to Egypt as Jeremiah said:
5 Pharaoh’s army had marched out of Egypt, and when the Babylonians who were besieging Jerusalem heard the report about them, they withdrew from Jerusalem. 6 Then the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet: 7 “This is what the Lord , the God of Israel, says: Tell the king of Judah, who sent you to inquire of me, ‘Pharaoh’s army, which has marched out to support you, will go back to its own land, to Egypt. 8 Then the Babylonians will return and attack this city; they will capture it and burn it down.’ (Jeremiah 37:5-8)
Then, Amasis II overthrew Hophra and became king of Egypt, so Hophra had to flee to other country. Then Hophra got the help of Babylon to recover his reign but he was killed by Amasis' army in 567 BCE. Also, there is a babylonian tablet (BM33041) of the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, which seems to be 568 BCE, where it is narrated the battle between Amasis and Nebuchadnezzar. Nevertheless, due to the damage of some portions of the tablet we can't know for sure the result. At worse, Amasis lost the battle and went back to Egypt, but Nebuchadnezzar could not conquer the land of Egypt, because Amasis continued reigning until 526 BCE, whereas Nebuchadnezzar died in 562 BCE, six years after that battle. So, the land of Egypt was not desolated by Nebuchadnezzar, nor the 40 years could be fulfilled during Nebuchadnezzar reign.