The only thing I am sure is that there is little truth, mixed with too much fiction, in the Gospels. In the past I despised the gnostic gospels, but now I have no more respect for the canonicals. This was a big historical fraud where most of the christian authors wrote falsehood intentionally. Then, few centuries later all were obligated to believe in the orthodox christian lie, otherwise, one would be executed by fire as an apostate. Of course, most of the catholic scholars currently know that many of the NT accounts are not historical, but they admit it in scholarly books. However, unfortunately, we still have dangerous sects like the Watchtower cult, which maintain its people in the most stupid dark age. It's time to expose, not only the Islam, but the whole fraud of christianity.
opusdei1972
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Bible Christianity is Holy baloney
by Half banana inunderpinning all the claims of the jw org is a belief in the sanctity of the bible as gods word.
this holy assumption is certainly never challenged by the watchtower and neither does the believer dare to use critical thinking to evaluate the source of his or her beliefs.
the watchtower org, for obvious reasons would not do this as they would need to sell up and hand back the money were they to admit that the bible is just a piece of literature and not divine in origin.
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Bible Christianity is Holy baloney
by Half banana inunderpinning all the claims of the jw org is a belief in the sanctity of the bible as gods word.
this holy assumption is certainly never challenged by the watchtower and neither does the believer dare to use critical thinking to evaluate the source of his or her beliefs.
the watchtower org, for obvious reasons would not do this as they would need to sell up and hand back the money were they to admit that the bible is just a piece of literature and not divine in origin.
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The Ebionites were a jewish sect which did not believe that Jesus born of a virgin, and denied his divinity. They regarded Jesus as the Messiah only. So, it tells me that the ebionites may reflect something of the original movement of Jews who followed the historical Jesus. Because the gentile line introduced those pagan elements found in gods like Mithra and Osiris. -
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Bible Christianity is Holy baloney
by Half banana inunderpinning all the claims of the jw org is a belief in the sanctity of the bible as gods word.
this holy assumption is certainly never challenged by the watchtower and neither does the believer dare to use critical thinking to evaluate the source of his or her beliefs.
the watchtower org, for obvious reasons would not do this as they would need to sell up and hand back the money were they to admit that the bible is just a piece of literature and not divine in origin.
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Half banana I can't show you any evidence for the existence of Jesus, because I am far removed from that time. However I can talk to you about some probabilities which maintain my belief that there was at least a historical person called Jesus who was condemned by the romans. Firstly, I admit that 90% of what the Gospels say lacks of historicity. But there must be a historical Jew called Jesus behind it. Otherwise, if he did not exist, then his disciples too. So, it would imply that Paul lied when he said, in the letter to the Galatians, that he met a man called Peter who knew Jesus. Of course, another possibility is that Paul did not exist too, and other person invented the letter to the Galatians so as to invent the meeting between Paul and Peter. Of course, false letters were not unlikely in that time, but I think that if we start to deny the existence of Jesus, we could deny the existence of Paul, Peter, and so on. So, who started to invent all of this stuff?. It would create a big problem for the historians. So it seems to me that it is easier to think that there was a historical Jesus whose figure (after his death) was gradually acquiring fame by his followers, because they were inventing facts about him so as to prove that his terrible death was predicted in the OT. Then he acquired a divine status, for instance, a birth of a virgin, in order to satisfy the divine standards of christians of pagan origins, who wanted to admire a hero like their ancient gods, who born from a virgin, and so on.
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Source material: "144,000" and "anointed" in The Watchtower, 2000-2015
by Doug Mason ina collation of statements made in the watchtower from 2000 to 2015 of "144,000" and "anointed".
http://www.jwstudies.com/wt_magazines_from_2000_to_2015_on_144000_and_the_anointed.pdf .
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Thank you Steve2. I am writing that web page, and some times I adds a new article. This creates great peace for me, because I love to expose the Bible and the Watchtower lies. Because I don't believe that the Bible lies were written as mere allegories, but for deceiving the unlearned masses. -
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Bible Christianity is Holy baloney
by Half banana inunderpinning all the claims of the jw org is a belief in the sanctity of the bible as gods word.
this holy assumption is certainly never challenged by the watchtower and neither does the believer dare to use critical thinking to evaluate the source of his or her beliefs.
the watchtower org, for obvious reasons would not do this as they would need to sell up and hand back the money were they to admit that the bible is just a piece of literature and not divine in origin.
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opusdei1972
I agree that the Bible is collection of books containing many myths, but with some distorted historical facts behind them. I don't believe that Jesus was 100% an invention, though Moses probably was. May be Josephus mentioned Jesus, but as a mere religious leader of a sect, or may be he simply wrote "he was regarded as the Christ" (as a manuscript says). Nevertheless, christian writers tampered Josephus' report. It is dificult to know for sure what realy happened, but in fact, there are many lies in the Gospels. -
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Source material: "144,000" and "anointed" in The Watchtower, 2000-2015
by Doug Mason ina collation of statements made in the watchtower from 2000 to 2015 of "144,000" and "anointed".
http://www.jwstudies.com/wt_magazines_from_2000_to_2015_on_144000_and_the_anointed.pdf .
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I know that Paul did not write the experience narrated in the book of Acts. But I believe that Paul and Jesus existed. However, I think that 90% of what the Gospels tell is invention. But I do believe that there was a Jew called Jesus who was killed by the Romans, then his disciples started to justify his death by using passages of the OT. I think that after Paul and Peter's death the virginity of Mary was also included by pagan christians and so on. Here my thoughts in my webpage against The Bible and The Society:
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Neanderthal man
by scary21 inmy ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).
he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.
i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .
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Cofty: as I see, the human skull is that which has the greatest volume. It is the lowest on the right. This is why I don't see the Neanthertal's skull as a human one. -
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Neanderthal man
by scary21 inmy ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).
he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.
i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .
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The photo that Perry showed above may be belongs to a man who has a deformed skull.
I tend to believe that Neanthertals were very close to us, but not of our specie.
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Source material: "144,000" and "anointed" in The Watchtower, 2000-2015
by Doug Mason ina collation of statements made in the watchtower from 2000 to 2015 of "144,000" and "anointed".
http://www.jwstudies.com/wt_magazines_from_2000_to_2015_on_144000_and_the_anointed.pdf .
doug.
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opusdei1972
I have gone through some steps until arriving in agnosticism. I am surprised by my quick change. Five years ago I still believed that the organization had 80% of Truth. So, I was a stupid WT apologist as a member of a Witness Forum. Then, I noticed that this religion is stupid, evil, and very wrong in many aspects, even in its interpretation of the Bible. However, I still believed in the Bible as the Word of God. Then I entered and was active in a christian forum of ex-witnesses. Then, some of them, believed not in every Bible passage as inspired or historical. For instance, some of them believed not in the virginity of Mary, or in the historicity of the account of Adam and Eve. Firstly I was angry for them, because I believed in the Bible as the Word of God, so I had strong debates in which I defended the necessity of the literalness of some Bible passages because these were quoted as such by Jesus and Paul. But, some day, I started to use my brain without passion, then I noted that the priest Raymond Brown and Bart Ehrman were right about many issues in which they show that many NT passages can't be historical facts. Then I discovered how evil was the OT, so I ended up in agnosticism. Now I am happy to know the truth. The truth is that the Bible contains many falsehoods, and the story of Jesus' resurrection is not reliable through the contradictions of the Gospels. So, we can't know for sure what happens after the death.
Paul said that he saw a light of the resurrected Jesus, and he also heard his voice, but we are not obligated to believe that, because Jesus did nothing to comunicate truth to his Church. The Fact is that the christian religion was always a mess, and if Jesus resurrected, then he transgressed on account of his omission, because his disciples were, and are guilty of many absurdities and lies in his name. So I doubt that he is the head of any church.
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Neanderthal man
by scary21 inmy ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).
he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.
i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .
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I don't believe that current men can be found with a skull like that of a Neanthertal. Any thoughts?