Finkelstein: Yes, both, Russell and Rutherford wrote many times, implicitly, that they belonged to the 144000 class. Rutherford called it as "temple class".
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The immorality of C Russell and J Rutherford founding members of the Watchtower Organization
by Finkelstein insomething that gets little attention or not enough is the what kind of social behavioral people were the ones who started the watchtower corporation ?
c t russell was someone who got divorced from it would appear a lack of love and attention to his wife and the supposed attention he gave to a younger woman who had lived at his home together with his wife .. j rutherford built a lavish home in sunny and warm san diego and lived with his mistress and personal assistant, separated from his wife.
apparently hoarding and drinking alcohol as well when it was illegal by law to do so.. would either of these men qualify to be even elders in today's standards ?
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The immorality of C Russell and J Rutherford founding members of the Watchtower Organization
by Finkelstein insomething that gets little attention or not enough is the what kind of social behavioral people were the ones who started the watchtower corporation ?
c t russell was someone who got divorced from it would appear a lack of love and attention to his wife and the supposed attention he gave to a younger woman who had lived at his home together with his wife .. j rutherford built a lavish home in sunny and warm san diego and lived with his mistress and personal assistant, separated from his wife.
apparently hoarding and drinking alcohol as well when it was illegal by law to do so.. would either of these men qualify to be even elders in today's standards ?
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In Walter Salter's letter, which I knew by this forum, Salter reported that Rutherford used him to import (illegally) alcohol from Canada. If the US government had know it, Rutherford had gone back to prison. -
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The immorality of C Russell and J Rutherford founding members of the Watchtower Organization
by Finkelstein insomething that gets little attention or not enough is the what kind of social behavioral people were the ones who started the watchtower corporation ?
c t russell was someone who got divorced from it would appear a lack of love and attention to his wife and the supposed attention he gave to a younger woman who had lived at his home together with his wife .. j rutherford built a lavish home in sunny and warm san diego and lived with his mistress and personal assistant, separated from his wife.
apparently hoarding and drinking alcohol as well when it was illegal by law to do so.. would either of these men qualify to be even elders in today's standards ?
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The Watchtower's answers to Walter Salter and Olin Moyle were interesting public documents in which Rutherford exposed himself. -
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Is the reasoning book no longer in use ?
by opusdei1972 ini would like to know if witnesses are still using the reasoning book in the field service.
i am asking about it, because i had read that it is currently out of print, doesn't it??
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I was an active member in 2011, so I saw an elder using it in field service. So, I wonder if witnesses keep it for their door by door activity. -
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Is the reasoning book no longer in use ?
by opusdei1972 ini would like to know if witnesses are still using the reasoning book in the field service.
i am asking about it, because i had read that it is currently out of print, doesn't it??
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I would like to know if Witnesses are still using the reasoning book in the field service. I am asking about it, because I had read that it is currently out of print, doesn't it??
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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?
by Coded Logic insomething i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.
and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.
i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.
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opusdei1972
The theory entertains that the author's intention was to advance the idea that the Babylonian captivity was punishment from God due to failure to observe the Law, especially the Sabbath. Therefore, the theory concludes, the author's intent was to teach that obedience to the Mosaic Law was the intention of God from the beginning of creation, built into the Jewish culture.
It sounds very logical. I did not think about it. But yes, seven literal days of creation were invented to justify the Sabbath. Thanks for sharing this information. -
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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?
by Coded Logic insomething i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.
and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.
i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.
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David_Jay: It seems that the guy (one of many authors) who wrote in Genesis that the world was created in seven days took it from a Babylonian legend. So, may be there was a belief that the world was created literally in seven days. I think that the author wrote it with that intention, although not all the ancient readers understood it in that way. Who knows ? -
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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?
by Coded Logic insomething i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.
and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.
i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.
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Irenaeus did believe that Adam was made conditionally immortal, as in certain sense Witnesses believe. -
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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?
by Coded Logic insomething i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.
and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.
i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.
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opusdei1972
I did not say that Augustine believed that the seven days were literal. However, he said on Adam and Eve, as I quoted before:
These and similar allegorical interpretations may be suitably put upon Paradise without giving offence to any one, provided we believe the truth of the story as a faithful record of historical fact."(Augustine, City of God, Book XIII.XXI )
Now Let's read Irenaeus:
But, in order that the man should not entertain thoughts of grandeur nor be exalted, as if he had no Lord, and, because of the authority given to the man and the boldness towards God his creator, sin, passing beyond his own measure, and adopt an attitude of self-conceited arrogance against God, a law was given to him from God, that he might know that he had as lord the Lord of all. And he placed certain limits upon him, so that, if he should keep the commandment of God, he would remain always as he was, that is, immortal; if, however, he should not keep it, he would become mortal, dissolving into the earth whence his frame was taken. And the commandment was this: ‘You may eat freely from every tree of paradise, but of that tree alone, whence is the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat; for on the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die’ (Gen 2.16-17). (The Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching, 15)
The above words clearly show that Irenaeus believed in a literal interpretation of the account of Adam and Eve.
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Merely an expressed opinion ?
by Jerryh indoes that sh*t eating grin and that middlefinger have any message for the friends ?.
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If you read the Watchtower publications between 1920 and 1924 you will note that it was not a mere expressed opinion. It was a strong campaign to propagate the idea that 1925 would be a God's date:
"Have we more reason, or as much, to believe the kingdom will be established in 1925 than Noah had to believe that there would be a flood? [...]Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. ....As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base its faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." (Question Box, The Watch Tower, April 1, 1923, p. 106)