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  June 2016 WT (study edition) Bashing Higher Education....AGAIN!

  by ToesUp in

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  paragraph 14: .

  "this means that we need to examine our heart constantly to see if it is being enticed by worldly entertainment, associations, and styles of dress and grooming.

  or the love of the world might involve efforts to attain “great things,” such as through the pursuit of higher education.

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  What if Steve Jobs and Bill Gates hadn't thought in "great things" ???

  The Watchtower uses tablets, personal computers, software, etc. So, the Watchtower's argument is bullshit.
  
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  Freddy Franz, One of the smartest men of his day????

  by DwainBowman in

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  back in my teen years this story swept through jw land, that according to, the guinness book of records , freddy franz, was listed as one of the seven, most intelligent , men in the world.

  dose anyone else remember this?

  i remember trying to look it up, but never found anything in print, and ii point that out once or twice , and was told a co, had told about it, and he wouldn't lie!

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  Indeed, if not the the smartest, Freddy Franz was the most foxy of the witnesses in Brooklyn. He could maintain a multinational corporation promoting and printing, for many decades, his eccentric and deceptive theological ideas, without assuming any responsibility. Remember that he was the theologian successor of Rutherford and Woodworth.
  

  For instance, after the 1975 fiasco, the governing body did anything for condemning his stupid prophecy.

  After the Woodworth's lunacy against vaccination, Franz won him by banning blood transfusions and all its fractions.
  
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  The Watchtower Corporation's (JWS) extenuating lies .....Why and for what purpose ?

  by Finkelstein in

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  upon researching the historical activity of the wts.

  it becomes clear that the head editorial writers of this religious publishing house propagated many formative lies or unproven speculations framed within its own bible theological interpretations.. .

  going right back to its earliest inception the head writers of the wts proclaimed that christ has returned and that mankind was going occur a dramatic change through this returning establishment of christ, as prophetically told though bible scripture.. the first year devised by the wts of this return was 1874 and through means of using an obscure measurement of the great pyramid of giza 1914 was to be the year of armageddon.. the 6000 years of mankind's existence was used at that time as well ( early 1900's) to support this supposed code cracking, which was used once again in the late 1960's to create 1975 as another year of significance.

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  Their masters were the early Christian scribes. They even wrote forgeries so as to maintain the early Christians expecting the return of Jesus. The Second Letter of Peter is one of these examples. Another one is the Apocalypse of John, whose author was a liar who invented visions where Jesus said "I am coming soon".
  
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  John Denham Parsons

  by opusdei1972 in

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  "the non-christian cross" by john denham parsons, is a work that is still used by the watchtower society as a "proof" that the greek word stauros does not mean cross.

  here a portion of this work:.

  now the greek word which in latin versions of the new testament is translated as crux, and in english versions is rendered as cross, i.e., the word stauros, seems to have, at the beginning of our era, no more meant a cross than the english word stick means a crutch.

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  careful: many thanks!
  
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  John Denham Parsons

  by opusdei1972 in

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  "the non-christian cross" by john denham parsons, is a work that is still used by the watchtower society as a "proof" that the greek word stauros does not mean cross.

  here a portion of this work:.

  now the greek word which in latin versions of the new testament is translated as crux, and in english versions is rendered as cross, i.e., the word stauros, seems to have, at the beginning of our era, no more meant a cross than the english word stick means a crutch.

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  "The non-Christian cross" by John Denham Parsons, is a work that is still used by the Watchtower Society as a "proof" that the Greek word stauros does not mean cross. Here a portion of this work:
  

  Now the Greek word which in Latin versions of the New Testament is translated as crux, and in English versions is rendered as cross, i.e., the word stauros, seems to have, at the beginning of our era, no more meant a cross than the English word stick means a crutch.
  It is true that a stick may be in the shape of a crutch, and that the stauros to which Jesus was affixed may have been in the shape of a cross. But just as the former is not necessarily a crutch, so the latter was not necessarily a cross.
  What the ancients used to signify when they used the word stauros, can easily be seen by referring to either the Iliad or the Odyssey.1
  It will there be found to clearly signify an ordinary pole or stake without any cross-bar. And it is as thus signifying a single piece of wood that the word in question is used throughout the old Greek classics.2
  The stauros used as an instrument of execution was (1) a small pointed pole or stake used for thrusting through the body, so as to pin the latter to the earth, or otherwise render death inevitable; (2) a similar pole or stake fixed in the ground point upwards, upon which the condemned one was forced down till incapable of escaping; (3) a much longer and stouter pole or stake fixed point upwards, upon which the victim, with his hands tied behind him, was lodged in such a way that the point should enter his breast and the weight of the body cause every movement to hasten the end; and (4) a stout unpointed pole or stake set upright in the earth, from which the victim was suspended by a rope round his wrists, which were first tied behind him so that the position might become an agonising one; or to which the doomed one was bound, or, as in the case of Jesus, nailed.
  That this last named kind of stauros, which was admittedly that to which Jesus was affixed, had in every case a cross-bar attached, is untrue; that it had in most cases, is unlikely; that it had in the case of Jesus, is unproven.
  Even as late as the Middle Ages, the word stauros seems to have primarily signified a straight piece of wood without a cross-bar. For the famous Greek lexicographer, Suidas, expressly states, "Stauroi; ortha xula perpégota," and both Eustathius and Hesychius affirm that it meant a straight stake or pole.
  The side light thrown upon the question by Lucian is also worth noting. This writer, referring to Jesus, alludes to "That sophist of theirs who was fastened to a skolops;" which word signified a single piece of wood, and not two pieces joined together...

  However, Parsons misleads his readers by misusing quotes, not understanding that a word in Homer's age could have improved its meaning. Furthermore, Parsons omitted some quotes of the first and the second century where the writers clearly mentioned that stauros has the same shape as the greek letter Tau.
  
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  The immorality of C Russell and J Rutherford founding members of the Watchtower Organization

  by Finkelstein in

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  something that gets little attention or not enough is the what kind of social behavioral people were the ones who started the watchtower corporation ?

  c t russell was someone who got divorced from it would appear a lack of love and attention to his wife and the supposed attention he gave to a younger woman who had lived at his home together with his wife .. j rutherford built a lavish home in sunny and warm san diego and lived with his mistress and personal assistant, separated from his wife.

  apparently hoarding and drinking alcohol as well when it was illegal by law to do so.. would either of these men qualify to be even elders in today's standards ?

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  Finkelstein: Yes, both, Russell and Rutherford wrote many times, implicitly, that they belonged to the 144000 class. Rutherford called it as "temple class".
  
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  The immorality of C Russell and J Rutherford founding members of the Watchtower Organization

  by Finkelstein in

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  something that gets little attention or not enough is the what kind of social behavioral people were the ones who started the watchtower corporation ?

  c t russell was someone who got divorced from it would appear a lack of love and attention to his wife and the supposed attention he gave to a younger woman who had lived at his home together with his wife .. j rutherford built a lavish home in sunny and warm san diego and lived with his mistress and personal assistant, separated from his wife.

  apparently hoarding and drinking alcohol as well when it was illegal by law to do so.. would either of these men qualify to be even elders in today's standards ?

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  In Walter Salter's letter, which I knew by this forum, Salter reported that Rutherford used him to import (illegally) alcohol from Canada. If the US government had know it, Rutherford had gone back to prison.
  
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  The immorality of C Russell and J Rutherford founding members of the Watchtower Organization

  by Finkelstein in

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  something that gets little attention or not enough is the what kind of social behavioral people were the ones who started the watchtower corporation ?

  c t russell was someone who got divorced from it would appear a lack of love and attention to his wife and the supposed attention he gave to a younger woman who had lived at his home together with his wife .. j rutherford built a lavish home in sunny and warm san diego and lived with his mistress and personal assistant, separated from his wife.

  apparently hoarding and drinking alcohol as well when it was illegal by law to do so.. would either of these men qualify to be even elders in today's standards ?

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  The Watchtower's answers to Walter Salter and Olin Moyle were interesting public documents in which Rutherford exposed himself.
  
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  Is the reasoning book no longer in use ?

  by opusdei1972 in

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  i would like to know if witnesses are still using the reasoning book in the field service.

  i am asking about it, because i had read that it is currently out of print, doesn't it??

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  I was an active member in 2011, so I saw an elder using it in field service. So, I wonder if witnesses keep it for their door by door activity.
  
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  Is the reasoning book no longer in use ?

  by opusdei1972 in

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  i would like to know if witnesses are still using the reasoning book in the field service.

  i am asking about it, because i had read that it is currently out of print, doesn't it??

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  opusdei1972

  I would like to know if Witnesses are still using the reasoning book in the field service. I am asking about it, because I had read that it is currently out of print, doesn't it??