I phoned my sister and she told me that yesterday the two elders visited her again. She lives in a latin country (as I do). And as I shown before, just two weeks ago, these elders visited my sister because she is not attending the meetings. She does not want to attend cause she currently knows that this is a false religion. She was baptized in 1975.
Two weeks ago she showed to the elders how absurd is the doctrine of blood fractions as well as those flip flops on health issues (as organ transplants, for instance). I wrote about that discussion in this post:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/medical/281372/1/Elders-answer-questions-about-the-changes-of-the-blood-ban#.U8x7XHLyOPs
But yesterday, the elders visited my sister again, but she had previously prepared some quotes from the Finished Mystery. She told them that she did some research and found the following ( in the Spanish version) :
"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? ... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. (Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them')
So, she told to the elders that she noted that in this Watchtower's article was mentioned the book entitled The Finished Mystery. It means that the distribution of this book was one of the preaching works in which the Bible Students were doing a prophetic work. Then she quoted the following Watchtower's paragraph, in which this book was regarded as a test of loyalty:
"Flashes of Light -- Great and Small (Part 2)
The Bible book of Revelation has intrigued Christians from early times. It provides a fine example of how the light of truth grows ever brighter. In 1917, Jehovah's people published an explanation of Revelation in the book The Finished Mystery. It fearlessly exposed Christendom's religious and political leaders, but many of its explanations were borrowed from various sources. Still, The Finished Mystery served to test the Bible Students' loyalty to the visible channel Jehovah was using." (The Watchtower, May 15, 1995, p. 21)
So, she asked them if they knew about the content of this book. They said : "we have never read it". So, she told them that she has the 1918 eidtion scanned in pdf format, and she had to translate some portions into Spanish. Then she shared with them following quotes:
Have you enjoyed this work so far? Are you convinced it is of the Lord-- prepared under His guidance? Have you carefully and prayerfully read the comments on Rev. 7:1? Then brace yourself for the truth that it is evidently God's purpose soon to allow the minds of many of His little ones to become an open battle ground, upon which the fallen angels shall be judged, and the manner in which we meet the tests will prove our worthiness of crowns at the same time that it proves these disobedient spirits unworthy of life on any plane. This is something with which some but not many are yet familiar.... without actual experience it is quite impossible to conceive of the intensity of such struggles.... The base of the brain is seized as in a vise. Interpretations of Scripture, ingenious, but misleading beyond description, are projected into the mind as water might be projected through a hose. Visions may be tried, wonderful illuminations of the mind as by a soft but glorious greenish or yellowish haze. Seductive suggestions may be made, based on circumstances of the environment. Offers of inspiration may be made. The privilege of sleep may be taken away for days at a stretch. All this with the object of forcing the unfortunate into at least a temporary insanity.... the mind may be flooded with thoughts that are vile beyond description. THEN REMEMBER THE VOW. (The Finished Mystery pages 126,127)
“It seems conclusive that the hour of Nominal Zion's travail is fixed for the Passover of 1918....At that time there is every reason to believe the fallen angels will Invade the minds of many of the Nominal Church people, driving them to exceedingly unwise conduct and leading to their destruction at the hands of the enraged masses, who will later be dragged to the same fate.(The Finished Mystery, page 128)
"Also, in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions, it shall be that any that escape shall come to the works of Pastor Russell to learn the meaning of the downfall of 'Christianity'."( The Finished Mystery, page 485)
Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920....Every kingdom of earth will pass away, be swallowed up in anarchy. ( The Finished Mystery, page 258)
So, after reading them the above quotes, my sister asked them: "How can the Watchtower affirm that the Bible Students were doing a prophetic work by distributing a book containing false prophecies "prepared under the Lord's guidance"? The elders answered the following:
"Sister, we are noticing that you have too much stress for these past publications. You demand too much perfection for the organization. Firstly, these were not false prophets, they were sincere christians who wished the end of this system of things, so their desire led them to set some wrong dates. Secondly, in certain sense, these predictions were true, because Babylon the Great fell in 1919."
So my sister said that she knew that this book was a stumbling block for many Bible Students who were disappointed for its content, then many of them left the Society. But, contradictorily, they were regarded as The Evil Slave and apostates. Then the elders answered her:
"Sister, those who left the Society went back to the false religion, to the churches of Babylon the Great. "
My sister disagreed, and was again very disappointed by the answers of the elders. She noted that they tried to defend the indefensible. The elders had to leave her house, but they told her that they will come back to continue the discussion and invited her to the Convention. Nevertheless, they took notes on the references given by my sister.
I suspect that, instead of disfellowshipping her, the elders are trying to learn about "apostate arguments" to report them to the Circuit Overseer. Who knows??? Whatever, they are ready to defend even the most ridiculous doctrine of the GB.
My sister said to me: "How difficult is for them to admit that they are in a false religion"
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The two elders visited my sister again
by opusdei1972 ini phoned my sister and she told me that yesterday the two elders visited her again.
she lives in a latin country (as i do).
and as i shown before, just two weeks ago, these elders visited my sister because she is not attending the meetings.
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Please help me destroy the logic of October 2014 Conversation With a Neighbor.
by kneehighmiah inhttp://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20141001/gods-kingdom-prophecy-1/.
this has got to be a joke.
anyone with half a brain would destroy the logical fallicies in this article.
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opusdei1972
The best thing to stop this absurd futuristic interpretation is to tell the truth about the book of Daniel. It was a forgery of the second century BCE. There was no Daniel in the sixth century who saw these visions. These visions were "vaticinium ex eventu" to give comfort to the Jews who were being persecuted by Antiochus Epiphanes.
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Sole CHANNEL of communication?
by Batman89 inhas the gb ever explained exactly how they supposedly communicate with god and get new light or other "inspiration" for their "spiritual dog food"?.
do they all sit in a room together and hold hands and join one conciousness??.
do they fall asleep and go to the dream world and talk to jehovah there like the movie inception or something??.
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According to Rutherford, who believed to be the appointed by Christ in 1918, the Holy Spirit was no more necessary after this year:
“It would seem that there would be no necessity for the ‘servant’ to have an advocate such as the holy spirit, because the ‘servant’ to have an advocate is in direct communication with Jehovah and as Jehovah’s instrument, and Christ Jesus acts for the entire body.” (Watchtower, September 1, 1930 p. 263, p. 263)
“After the holy spirit as an advocate or paraclete ceased to function in behalf of the consecrated, then the angels are employed in behalf of those who are being made ready for the kingdom. ‘For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all they ways’ -Ps. 91:11″ (Preservation, 1932 p. 51-52)
“By his spirit, the holy spirit, Jehovah God guides or leads his people up to a certain point of time, and thus he did until the time when ‘the comforter’ was taken away, which would necessarily occur when Jesus, the Head of his organization, came to the temple and gathered unto himself those whom he found faithful when he, as the great Judge, began his judgment, in 1918.” (Preservation, 1932, p. 193-194)
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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody
by Terry ini'm at starbucks .
just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.
my hands are shaking.. wow!.
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I asked him to investigate what 7 million JW's spent all their time preaching from 1968 to 1975.
Here is what witnesses were preaching during those days:
*** Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15 ***
If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914, Jesus foretold:'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.Interestingly, not only Jesus' generation passed away, but that of 1914 too. So those young guys who in 1969 avoided a career "in this system of things" are now old and were deceived by this crap.
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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody
by Terry ini'm at starbucks .
just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.
my hands are shaking.. wow!.
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Hi Terry:
You said
Every humble, honest Christian in the world sits down with the Bible and prays for the holy spirit to help them understand the truth. What do they get? They get 40,000 different denominations."
Yes, this is a consequence of the contradictions in the Bible. The Bible itself can't be the Word of God, because if ten men would want to follow it, it would result in ten different approaches.
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Watchtower Approved Blood Transfusions
by Lee Elder inwe have just published a new article at ajwrb entitled:.
watchtower approved blood transfusions.
http://ajwrb.org/watchtower-approved-blood-transfusions.
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The Watctower proves that The Bible is a mess: All fractions were under Scriptural ban in 1956, but in 2001 all fractions derived from the four primary components are permitted. Also, according to the Watchtower, blood transfusion is the same as fornication. So, currently, the Watchtower allows fractioned fornication.
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I know 2 of the Elders on the Ray Franz JC
by James Jackson inwhen i read coc, i was stunned that the 2 elders (theotis french & rob dibble) were on ray franz judcial committee.
i have known these men for over 20 years having done rbc and convention work with them.
they are still elders today which means they were in their early 30's(which is unheard of for a case of this importance to have inexperienced elders to sit on) on this committee.. without revealing myself, i have never tried(but have wanted to), ask them about their on having to judge a former gb member.. then out of the blue, about a year ago, i was mentioning how hard it is trying to get younger ones to volunteer to one of these elders, and he says"this is nothing compared to to sitting on the committee that had to disfellowship ray franz".
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Poor stupid elders !!. They should admit that they no longer have their brains, because they don't think by themselves.
I spent many years believing in this bullshit. It was a waste of time.
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God Says Scripture is Enough
by Perry infrom the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .
as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.
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opusdei1972
more than one church of the first century read The book of Enoch as Scripture. But now, most churches regard it as not inspired.
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DF'd for Blood Transfusion
by lambsbottom inso, what is the discipline, if any for a blood transfusion?.
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According to the Elder's manual, if you don't show repent you will be disassociated.
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Something Big is Coming...
by notsurewheretogo inthe annual meeting of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses will be in october 2014.. .. in november 2013, just after the last one they published this now famous statement in the 15th of november 2013 watchtower page 16 paragraph 17 says:.
"at that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.
all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.".
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I hardly believe that the 144000 will be regarded as symbolic in this Annual Meeting. This is a core doctrine in the Watchtower Theology. I think they will wait until the overlapping generation passes.