Knorr supported Rutherford's false teachings because he was in the elite close to Rutherford. In 1925 Knorr may be knew that his loyalty would lead him to the Precidency after Rutherford's death. Knorr always thought as a businessman. Also, those who want to reach a high position in the organizaton have to kiss many asses.
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November 2014 WT - Points out the fact that Knorr supported false teachings.
by objectivetruth in- it's amazing to track the confusion and stupidity contained in wt articles.
- in only one watchtower you can find multiple contradictory statements, and representations of truth that are simply lies made up on the fly.
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Watchtower Nov 2014 for public (Satan and fiction)
by opusdei1972 inthe passage that narrates the three temptations appears in the synoptics, but is ignored in the fourth gospel.
furthermore, in the fourth gospel jesus could not spend 40 days in the wilderness after being baptized as told in mark 1:12-13 (which is the source of matthew and luke).
so, if the testimony of the author of the fourth gospel were true (read john 21:24), the story of the wilderness never happened.
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Old Goat Although my comment may be shallow, I am not ignorant. I did not mean that Isaiah 45:7 means that YHWH created Satan (the person), but the bad, the evil. About the translation "calamity", the Hebrew word "rah" appeared in Isaiah 45:7 means mainly "evil". The Septuagint in Isaiah 45:7 chose the greek word "kaká", which means "evil", as in Acts 23:9: "We find no evil (ouden kakon) in this man.". The word "rah" also appears in Genesis 2:9 "...the tree of good and evil (rah)". It seems that modern Jews disagree with the rendering "calamity":
The word “disaster” inserted by the New International Version is misleading and purposely ambiguous so that the uninformed reader could conclude that this word refers to natural disasters, such as typhoons, earthquakes and hurricanes. This dubious translation was deliberately forged to conceal the prophet’s original message. As mentioned above, the King James Version correctly translates this verse, and renders the Hebrew word רָע (rah) as “evil.” (Rabbi Singer)
http://outreachjudaism.org/who-is-satan/
About Second Isaiah, the most clear argument is the name of Cyrus appearing in chapter 45. This dates that portion after 539 BCE.
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Watchtower Nov 2014 for public (Satan and fiction)
by opusdei1972 inthe passage that narrates the three temptations appears in the synoptics, but is ignored in the fourth gospel.
furthermore, in the fourth gospel jesus could not spend 40 days in the wilderness after being baptized as told in mark 1:12-13 (which is the source of matthew and luke).
so, if the testimony of the author of the fourth gospel were true (read john 21:24), the story of the wilderness never happened.
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The passage that narrates the three temptations appears in the Synoptics, but is ignored in the fourth Gospel. Furthermore, in the fourth Gospel Jesus could not spend 40 days in the wilderness after being baptized as told in Mark 1:12-13 (which is the source of Matthew and Luke). So, if the testimony of the author of the fourth Gospel were true (read John 21:24), the story of the wilderness never happened. Most probably, it was invented by a christian comunity to teach about the battle between the evil and the good.
About Satan, Deutero Isaiah did not believe in him, because Isaiah said that YHWH was also the source of Evil:
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7)
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20141101/who-is-the-devil/
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Serious problems with Gospel of John, and his Revelation
by Pinku in1) john presents a jesus who is totally different from other gospels.
2) johns claim of jesus being partial to him undermines jesuss own teaching (mathew 5:44-48).
3) johns claim of first miracle (changing the water into wine) and the last (or most spectacular) miracle of resurrecting lazarus are not known to earlier gospel writers---something impossible for them to miss!.
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In fact, Revelation and the Gospel of John could hardly be written by the same author.
John 3:13 is an interesting verse, because it shows how "reliable" is the NT:
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man (John 3:13)
However, some manuscripts added: "who is in heaven".
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I know there is NO GOD
by jam inisis, plain and simple.
if there is a god there is no way he.
would allow this to occur (beheading of james foley).
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My hypothesis is that there is a God, but he does not interfere in human life and if you worship him, he is apathetical about it.
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The Watchtower and its absurd accusations against the Church Fathers
by opusdei1972 ini love to read the watchtower's article "the church fathersadvocates of bible truth?
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there we may read the most contadictory statements of the watchtower society, which shows how deceptive and ignorant is the jehovah's witnesses religion.. .
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1. The seven signs from John 1-15?
2. The Prayer in 16-18 (An addition)
3. The passion in 19,20 (based on the gospel of Pontius Pilate so early second century)
4. The last chapter likely very late in early third century
5. Lastly the 7:53-8:11 narritive... added after the Vulgate 400+CE
How do you know the above?.....I clearly see that the last chapter is a later addition, but I thought it was added after "the beloved disciple died" around the year 100. Who was that beloved disciple?
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The Watchtower and its absurd accusations against the Church Fathers
by opusdei1972 ini love to read the watchtower's article "the church fathersadvocates of bible truth?
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there we may read the most contadictory statements of the watchtower society, which shows how deceptive and ignorant is the jehovah's witnesses religion.. .
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Another fact is that Jesus believed in the doctrine of hell (as it appears in the Gospels). I was just expelled from a forum of ex-witnesses, just for declaring that Jesus had to believe in hell as a man of his time. Of course, It does not mean that Hell must exist, but Jesus taught this doctrine. The Church Fathers did not take it from the Greek Philosophy, because many greek concepts were already assimilated by the Essenes and the Pharisees well before the first century.
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Jehovah told to Moses: "....kill every woman who has had sexual relations with a man"
by opusdei1972 inin numbers 31 we read the following:.
jehovah then told moses:2 take vengeance for the israelites on the midianites.
afterward you will be gathered to your people.3 so moses spoke to the people, saying: equip men from among you for battle against midian and to execute jehovahs vengeance on midian.4 you should send 1,000 of each tribe of all the tribes of israel into the army............ 7 they waged war against midian, just as jehovah had commanded moses, and they killed every male.8 along with the others slain, they killed the kings of midian, namely, evi, rekem, zur, hur, and reba, the five kings of midian.
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millie210 I admired Greg when I was a Watchtower apologist, and I was disappointed when he became an apostate by publishing his book "Three Disertations". Of course, it was so when I was a witness. But after leaving the Society I admitted that he was right by writing that book. Now, I still think that he is right in some issues, but now I see that he is enclosed in a fundamentalist position about the Bible.
So, as you may see, I have passed through different religious steps. First I was jealous witness, then I left the Society but continued to be a fundamentalist christian, and now I don't believe that the Bible is inspired by God. Why?, because I realized that it is a colection of books that create more questions than answers. If a written work produces more questions than answers it will only cause confusions and divisions. This is why early christianity could not be a united religion. This is why even the Jews who were the first owners of the Bible could not be united in one doctrine. Why??, Why the Bible is the source of divisions?....Now I think that I know the answer: It is because it was written and inspired by different human minds to fulfill their own agenda.
I recomend you the book The Bible Unearthed
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The Watchtower and its absurd accusations against the Church Fathers
by opusdei1972 ini love to read the watchtower's article "the church fathersadvocates of bible truth?
" (w01 4/15 pp.
there we may read the most contadictory statements of the watchtower society, which shows how deceptive and ignorant is the jehovah's witnesses religion.. .
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The Watchtower's stance against the Church Fathers is ridiculous, because the Society needs them to support the NT canon. The Society quotes them many times as early witnesses of the NT books.
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The Watchtower and its absurd accusations against the Church Fathers
by opusdei1972 ini love to read the watchtower's article "the church fathersadvocates of bible truth?
" (w01 4/15 pp.
there we may read the most contadictory statements of the watchtower society, which shows how deceptive and ignorant is the jehovah's witnesses religion.. .
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I love to read the Watchtower's article "The Church Fathers—Advocates of Bible Truth?" (w01 4/15 pp. 17-21). There we may read the most contadictory statements of the Watchtower Society, which shows how deceptive and ignorant is the Jehovah's Witnesses religion.
"For slightly more than 100 years after Nicaea, theologians, most of them writing in Greek, worked out in a long and bitter debate what was to be the distinguishing doctrine of Christendom, the Trinity. Chief among them were Athanasius, the assertive bishop of Alexandria..."
Yes, but you needed Athanasius to defend the Pauline authorship of the Letter to the Hebrews:
Writership of the letter to the Hebrews has been widely ascribed to the apostle Paul. It was accepted as an epistle of Paul by early writers. ... Hebrews is listed among “fourteen letters of Paul the apostle” in “The Canon of Athanasius,” of the fourth century C.E. (it-1 pp. 1077-1080)
Or consider the teaching of the immortality of the soul, a belief that some part of man lives on after the body dies. Again, the Church Fathers were instrumental in introducing this notion to a religion that had no teaching about a soul surviving death. The Bible clearly shows that the soul can die: “The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.” (Ezekiel 18:4) What was the basis for the Church Fathers’ belief in an immortal soul? “The Christian concept of a spiritual soul created by God and infused into the body at conception to make man a living whole is the fruit of a long development in Christian philosophy. Only with Origen in the East and St. Augustine in the West was the soul established as a spiritual substance and a philosophical concept formed of its nature. . . . [Augustine’s doctrine] . . . owed much (including some shortcomings) to Neoplatonism,” says the New Catholic Encyclopedia. And the magazine Presbyterian Life says: “Immortality of the soul is a Greek notion formed in ancient mystery cults and elaborated by the philosopher Plato.”
really?....the church fathers just took "the belief that some part of man lives on after the body dies" from Jesus teachings. For example, Irenaeus, a second century bishop of Lyon wrote the following:
The Lord has taught with very great fullness, that souls not only continue to exist, not by passing from body to body, but that they preserve the same form [in their separate state] as the body had to which they were adapted, and that they remember the deeds which they did in this state of existence, and from which they have now ceased—in that narrative which is recorded respecting the rich man and that Lazarus who found repose in the bosom of Abraham. In this account He states (Luke 16:19, etc.) that Dives knew Lazarus after death, and Abraham in like manner, and that each one of these persons continued in his own proper position, and that [Dives] requested Lazarus to be sent to relieve him— [Lazarus], on whom he did not [formerly] bestow even the crumbs [which fell] from his table. [He tells us] also of the answer given by Abraham, who was acquainted not only with what respected himself, but Dives also, and who enjoined those who did not wish to come into that place of torment to believe Moses and the prophets, and to receive the preaching of Him who was to rise again from the dead. By these things, then, it is plainly declared that souls continue to exist that they do not pass from body to body, that they possess the form of a man, so that they may be recognised, and retain the memory of things in this world; moreover, that the gift of prophecy was possessed by Abraham, and that each class [of souls] receives a habitation such as it has deserved, even before the judgment. (Against Heresies (Book II, Chapter 34))
After even this brief examination of the historical backdrop of the Church Fathers, as well as the origins of their teachings, it is appropriate to ask, Should a sincere Christian base his or her beliefs on the teachings of the Church Fathers? Let the Bible answer.
For one thing, Jesus Christ himself ruled out the use of the religious title “Father” when he said: “Do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.” (Matthew 23:9) The use of the term “Father” to designate any religious figure is unchristian and unscriptural
Really?...so the Apostle Paul was an apostate because he said "For though you may have 10,000 guardians in Christ, you certainly do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus, I have become your father through the good news." (1 Cor 4:15)
The written Word of God was completed about 98 C.E. with the writings of the apostle John. Thus, true Christians do not need to look to any human as the source of inspired revelation. They are careful not to ‘make the word of God invalid’ because of human tradition. Letting human tradition take the place of God’s Word is spiritually lethal. Jesus warned: “If . . . a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”—Matthew 15:6, 14.
Does a Christian need any revelation besides the word of God as contained in the Bible? No. The book of Revelation cautions against adding anything to the inspired record: “If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll.”—Revelation 22:18.
How do they know that the last writings belonged to the apostle John?. The early source the Watchtower has is what Irenaeus (a Church Father) wrote about the authorship of them, that is 80 years after those supposedly writings of John. On the other hand, about the inspired books, why the first book of Enoch was not included in the canon?....we know that Jude quoted it. If Jude quoted the book of Enoch, the Bible used by the Watchtower is incomplete. Furthermore, we don't know how the original of the book of Revelation was. For instance, we have two versions of Rev. 13:18, some manuscripts say 616 and other ones 666. Even Irenaeus reported such discrepancy in the second century. Professor David Parker, Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham, thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original. However, the New World Translation ignores it.
On the other hand, in the 2013 revision of the NWT, the NWT contains the Gospel of Mark until the verse 8 of chapter 16. How do they know that the original ended in that verse?. How do they know that John 1:18 says "the only-begotten god" and not "the only-begotten son"?.
Moreover, the true Christian congregation is “a pillar and support of the truth.” (1 Timothy 3:15) Its overseers safeguard the purity of their teaching within the congregation, preventing any doctrinal pollutant from creeping in. (2 Timothy 2:15-18, 25) They keep out of the congregation ‘false prophets, false teachers, and destructive sects.’ (2 Peter 2:1) After the death of the apostles, the Church Fathers allowed “misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons” to take root in the Christian congregation.—1 Timothy 4:1.
The consequences of this apostasy are evident in Christendom today. Its beliefs and practices are a far cry from Bible truth.
Really?...what do you think the Apostle Paul would say after reading the following Rutherford's new light?
“Instead of the ‘servant’s’ being moved into action by the operation of the holy spirit as a helper, the Scriptures seem clearly to teach that the Lord directs his angels what to do and that they act under the supervision of the Lord in directing the remnant on earth concerning the course of action to take. -Rev. 8:1-7″ (Salvation, 1939, p. 263)
So, angels (demons), replaced the "Holy Spirit" in the Watchtower teachings during Rutherford's age.