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  Misleading explanation for the fulfillment of the Prophecy against Tyre

  by opusdei1972 in

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  as we know, nebuchadnezzar could not conquer the island of tyre, so he could not fulfill what was predicted in ezekiel chapter 26. many years later, ezekiel admitted that the prediction failed in chapter 29:.

  17 and it came to pass in the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, that the word of the lord came to me, saying, 18 son of man, nebuchadnezzar king of babylon caused his army to labor strenuously against tyre; every head was made bald, and every shoulder rubbed raw; yet neither he nor his army received wages from tyre, for the labor which they expended on it.

  19 therefore thus says the lord god: surely i will give the land of egypt to nebuchadnezzar king of babylon; he shall take away her wealth, carry off her spoil, and remove her pillage; and that will be the wages for his army.

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  opusdei1972

  Egypt was never desolated for 40 years. This is an overwhelming proof that he who inspired Ezekiel's prophecies was deceiving him.
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  Debunking the Bible

  by Coded Logic in

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  there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.

  anyone know any simple arguements for this?

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  opusdei1972

  I recomend this website for those who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. The following link will open your mind if you want to think:

  http://www.theskepticalreview.com/mainmenu.html
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  DO JW's do a FAIR job of SAVING people--or--is the premise ridiculous?

  by Terry in

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  figures don't lie...but liars figure!.

  the message for those babies who are now in their 30's and 40's is that "we warned your parents about a date that meant nothing!".

  how does that wash credibility-wise?.

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  opusdei1972

  However, YHWH can save only his witnesses though they can't preach to every man. YHWH likes genocide, he did it with amalekites and madianites, and so on.
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  Debunking the Bible

  by Coded Logic in

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  there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.

  anyone know any simple arguements for this?

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  opusdei1972

  Here is one of the many contradictions in the Bible:

  "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." (Deuteronomy 24:16)

  "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them (idols), nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me." (Exodus 20:5)
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  Misleading explanation for the fulfillment of the Prophecy against Tyre

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as we know, nebuchadnezzar could not conquer the island of tyre, so he could not fulfill what was predicted in ezekiel chapter 26. many years later, ezekiel admitted that the prediction failed in chapter 29:.

  17 and it came to pass in the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, that the word of the lord came to me, saying, 18 son of man, nebuchadnezzar king of babylon caused his army to labor strenuously against tyre; every head was made bald, and every shoulder rubbed raw; yet neither he nor his army received wages from tyre, for the labor which they expended on it.

  19 therefore thus says the lord god: surely i will give the land of egypt to nebuchadnezzar king of babylon; he shall take away her wealth, carry off her spoil, and remove her pillage; and that will be the wages for his army.

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  opusdei1972

  Perry: English is not my native language, but I am trying to understand what you meant. I knew that Tyre was an Island with lesser cities called "daughters in the land". So the main material richness was in the Island, as Ezekiel said:

  Your wealth, merchandise and wares,

  your mariners, sailors and shipwrights,
  your merchants and all your soldiers,
  and everyone else on board
  will sink into the heart of the sea
  on the day of your shipwreck.

  (Ezekiel 27:27)

  Let us see, here are portions of the NIV translation of Ezekiel 26:

  7 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army. 8 He will ravage your settlements on the mainland with the sword; he will set up siege works against you, build a ramp up to your walls and raise his shields against you. 9 He will direct the blows of his battering rams against your walls and demolish your towers with his weapons. 10 His horses will be so many that they will cover you with dust. Your walls will tremble at the noise of the warhorses, wagons and chariots when he enters your gates as men enter a city whose walls have been broken through. 11 The hooves of his horses will trample all your streets; he will kill your people with the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground. 12 THEY will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea.

  From the Hebrew language and from the Septuagint we may understand that when NIV says "your settlements on the mainland", it comes from the literal phrase "your daughters that are in the land", in which "land" comes from the Hebrew Sadeh which is opposed to sea. Ashurbanipal, the Assyrian king, identifies Ushu in the mainland: "ON MY RETURN MARCH, I CONQURED THE TOWN USHU THE EMPLACEMENT OF WHICH IS ON THE SEACOAST." (ANET, p.300)

  So, as I see, when the prophecy uses the pronoun "YOU" in chapter 26, it means the city in the Island. Doesn't it?. So, it seems clear that Nebuchadnezzar did "ravage your daughters in the land", but did Nebuchadnezzar demolish the walls protecting the Island? did Nebuchadnezzar enter with his horses into the city of the Island? It does not happen. If so, why he could not get any "reward from the campaign he led against Tyre"?, because he could not enter there.

  Now it seems that you apply the pronoun "THEY", to the nations, though I understand it to be Nebuchadnezzar and his army, because Ezekiel then admitted that " he and his army got no reward from the campaign he led against Tyre" (Ezekiel 29:18)

  14 I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord .

  "You will never be rebuilt" must mean "the city of the Island never be rebuilt". But we know that the city in the Island was rebuilt.

  19 “This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When I make you a desolate city, like cities no longer inhabited, and when I bring the ocean depths over you and its vast waters cover you, 20 then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place in the land of the living. 21 I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign Lord .” (NIV)

  I don't see where it was fulfilled, because Tyre is still inhabited.
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  Misleading explanation for the fulfillment of the Prophecy against Tyre

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as we know, nebuchadnezzar could not conquer the island of tyre, so he could not fulfill what was predicted in ezekiel chapter 26. many years later, ezekiel admitted that the prediction failed in chapter 29:.

  17 and it came to pass in the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, that the word of the lord came to me, saying, 18 son of man, nebuchadnezzar king of babylon caused his army to labor strenuously against tyre; every head was made bald, and every shoulder rubbed raw; yet neither he nor his army received wages from tyre, for the labor which they expended on it.

  19 therefore thus says the lord god: surely i will give the land of egypt to nebuchadnezzar king of babylon; he shall take away her wealth, carry off her spoil, and remove her pillage; and that will be the wages for his army.

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  opusdei1972

  I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.(Ezekiel 26:14)

  Tyre was conquered in 332 B.C. by Alexander but at no time was the city totaly destroyed. It was soon rebuilt on the same site. It exists to this day.
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  New Bethel Conspiracy Theory

  by kneehighmiah in

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  i know someone who has been at bethel 2.5 years as a temporary worker.

  he recently recieved a 3 year extension through 2017. i read his letter.

  he is being extended as a 3-year temporary worker, even though he's already been there nearly 3 years already!

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  opusdei1972

  The members of GB know that the END is not coming soon. The only end they will see is when they will die as any mortal. But they want a more confortable material place to spend their last days as rich people.
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  Misleading explanation for the fulfillment of the Prophecy against Tyre

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as we know, nebuchadnezzar could not conquer the island of tyre, so he could not fulfill what was predicted in ezekiel chapter 26. many years later, ezekiel admitted that the prediction failed in chapter 29:.

  17 and it came to pass in the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, that the word of the lord came to me, saying, 18 son of man, nebuchadnezzar king of babylon caused his army to labor strenuously against tyre; every head was made bald, and every shoulder rubbed raw; yet neither he nor his army received wages from tyre, for the labor which they expended on it.

  19 therefore thus says the lord god: surely i will give the land of egypt to nebuchadnezzar king of babylon; he shall take away her wealth, carry off her spoil, and remove her pillage; and that will be the wages for his army.

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  opusdei1972

  As we know, Nebuchadnezzar could not conquer the island of Tyre, so he could not fulfill what was predicted in Ezekiel chapter 26. Many years later, Ezekiel admitted that the prediction failed in chapter 29:

  17 And it came to pass in the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, that the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 18 “Son of man, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon caused his army to labor strenuously against Tyre; every head was made bald, and every shoulder rubbed raw; yet neither he nor his army received wages from Tyre, for the labor which they expended on it. 19 Therefore thus says the Lord God : ‘Surely I will give the land of Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; he shall take away her wealth, carry off her spoil, and remove her pillage; and that will be the wages for his army. 20 I have given him the land of Egypt for his labor, because they worked for Me,’ says the Lord God .

  Interestingly, the Jewish Encyclopedia presents a sincere explanation of this fiasco:

  Ezekiel had positively prophesied the capture and destruction of Tyre by Nebuchadnezzar, but after thirteen years of fruitless labor the latter had to raise the siege and to arrange terms of peace with the city. Thereupon, in the above-mentioned passage, Ezekiel promises Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar as an indemnity. Here, then, is an oracle the non-fulfilment, of which the prophet himself is destined to see. Yet he does not venture to change or to expunge it. Incidentally it may be stated that the transmission of oracles of which the prophets themselves were doomed to see the non-fulfilment is the strongest proof that they regarded these as messages for which they were not personally responsible, and which, consequently, they did not venture to change; they regarded them as God's word, the responsibility for the non-fulfilment of which rested with God, not with themselves. In view of these facts it must be assumed that although Ezekiel completed his book in 572, he availed himself of earlier writings, which he allowed to remain practically unchanged. (Jewish Encyclopedia, Ezekiel, book of)

  So, it seems that Ezekiel did not delete his past unfulfilled predictions, because he thought these came from God. Who deceived him?, Aliens?, no one knows. However, there are currently guys who want to show us deceptively that the Prophecy against Tyre was actualy fulfilled

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8_jV6R0_5A
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  November 2014 WT - Points out the fact that Knorr supported false teachings.

  by objectivetruth in

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  - it's amazing to track the confusion and stupidity contained in wt articles.

  - in only one watchtower you can find multiple contradictory statements, and representations of truth that are simply lies made up on the fly.

  - as an example the nov,15 2014 wt has the following quotes : -.

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  opusdei1972

  Knorr supported Rutherford's false teachings because he was in the elite close to Rutherford. In 1925 Knorr may be knew that his loyalty would lead him to the Precidency after Rutherford's death. Knorr always thought as a businessman. Also, those who want to reach a high position in the organizaton have to kiss many asses.
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  Watchtower Nov 2014 for public (Satan and fiction)

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the passage that narrates the three temptations appears in the synoptics, but is ignored in the fourth gospel.

  furthermore, in the fourth gospel jesus could not spend 40 days in the wilderness after being baptized as told in mark 1:12-13 (which is the source of matthew and luke).

  so, if the testimony of the author of the fourth gospel were true (read john 21:24), the story of the wilderness never happened.

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  Old Goat Although my comment may be shallow, I am not ignorant. I did not mean that Isaiah 45:7 means that YHWH created Satan (the person), but the bad, the evil. About the translation "calamity", the Hebrew word "rah" appeared in Isaiah 45:7 means mainly "evil". The Septuagint in Isaiah 45:7 chose the greek word "kaká", which means "evil", as in Acts 23:9: "We find no evil (ouden kakon) in this man.". The word "rah" also appears in Genesis 2:9 "...the tree of good and evil (rah)". It seems that modern Jews disagree with the rendering "calamity":

  The word “disaster” inserted by the New International Version is misleading and purposely ambiguous so that the uninformed reader could conclude that this word refers to natural disasters, such as typhoons, earthquakes and hurricanes. This dubious translation was deliberately forged to conceal the prophet’s original message. As mentioned above, the King James Version correctly translates this verse, and renders the Hebrew word רָע (rah) as “evil.” (Rabbi Singer)

  http://outreachjudaism.org/who-is-satan/

  About Second Isaiah, the most clear argument is the name of Cyrus appearing in chapter 45. This dates that portion after 539 BCE.