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  Why the Bible is a poor moral compass

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  please don't click the link if you feel details of abuse would upset you http://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/letter-to-the-director-of-public-prosecutions-from-steven-unthank-in-relation-to-discontinuing-the-criminal-trial-february-2012-pdf.pdf.

  looking at some of the events that led up to the rc in australia i came across this letter, submitted to the d.p.p.

  by steven upthank, in relation to the crown discontinuing prosecution of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.

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  opusdei1972

  Here a Bible verse:

  Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. (Psalm 137:9)

  Any thoughts???
  
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  Why the Bible is a poor moral compass

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  please don't click the link if you feel details of abuse would upset you http://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/letter-to-the-director-of-public-prosecutions-from-steven-unthank-in-relation-to-discontinuing-the-criminal-trial-february-2012-pdf.pdf.

  looking at some of the events that led up to the rc in australia i came across this letter, submitted to the d.p.p.

  by steven upthank, in relation to the crown discontinuing prosecution of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.

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  opusdei1972

  Whichever be the institution that claims to follow the Bible will be found practicing double standards. The Bible by itself produces conflicting behaviors in the humans who want to follow it.
  
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  Scottish Convention Revelation!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some circuit overseer gave a talk and made this statement - "jehovah will very soon resurrect millions of people.....".

  "soon" is so old hat now - "very soon" will become the new buzz words in j.w.-land..

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  In 2007 a Circuit Overseer gave a talk in a my congregation and said the following:

  "don't think that you can study in the university to enjoy your career, because the end will be in 10 years yet. So don't think that you will have 10 years to enjoy this world. "
  
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  how the things are going with my sister

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this morning i phoned my sister so as to know how the things are going with her problem with the congregation.

  if i remember well, five weeks ago, my sister was asked by the elders (in the street) to attend a judicial meeting for apostasy.

  my sister told them that she firstly needs a formal letter specifying who is accusing her.

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  opusdei1972

  If the elders disfellowship her for apostasy, she knows that the congregation will speculate about her moral behavior. May be some sisters, who were her friends, will say that she was disfellowshipped for committing sexual immorality, and so on. So, she told me that if she is disfellowshipped, she will make public this act of defamation.
  
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  how the things are going with my sister

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this morning i phoned my sister so as to know how the things are going with her problem with the congregation.

  if i remember well, five weeks ago, my sister was asked by the elders (in the street) to attend a judicial meeting for apostasy.

  my sister told them that she firstly needs a formal letter specifying who is accusing her.

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  opusdei1972

  This morning I phoned my sister so as to know how the things are going with her problem with the congregation. If I remember well, five weeks ago, my sister was asked by the elders (in the street) to attend a judicial meeting for apostasy. My sister told them that she firstly needs a formal letter specifying who is accusing her. But one of the elders, in an uneducated manner, shouted her by saying that she has only one week to attend the judicial meeting for apostasy. After that week, a spy in the congregation phoned my sister and told her that she could hear that one of the elders was talking to other one by cellphone, and this one said that in the next meeting my sister would be disfellowshipped. However, my sister sent to the elders a notification, through a notary, in which she asked the elders to write a formal invitation to do the judicial meeting for apostasy, because she will be present with her lawyer. A copy of this letter was sent to the three elders. After that, my sister phoned one of the elders to ask him when this meeting would be. The elder told her that they will call her. However, until now, nothing happened. It seems that they have stopped the proceeding.
  

  Are they afraid for holding a meeting with a lawyer??
  
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  JW.ORG on “uncleanness” that displeases God

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been recently reading in jw.org the following absurdities on their black and white world: .

  do jehovahs witnesses have rules about dating?......christians who want to marry are commanded to choose only a fellow believer.

  (1 corinthians 7:39) jehovahs witnesses view this command as referring not merely to a person who respects our beliefs but to one who shares and practices those beliefs as a baptized witness.

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  I have been recently reading in JW.ORG the following absurdities on their black and white world:

  Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Have Rules About Dating?......Christians who want to marry are commanded to choose only a fellow believer. (1 Corinthians 7:39) Jehovah’s Witnesses view this command as referring not merely to a person who respects our beliefs but to one who shares and practices those beliefs as a baptized Witness. (2 Corinthians 6:14) God has always directed his worshippers to marry only those of the same faith. (Genesis 24:3; Malachi 2:11) This command is also practical, as modern researchers have found. *
  

  
  Even premarital passion-arousing behavior that stops short of sexual immorality is “uncleanness” that displeases God. (Galatians 5:19-21)
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  How are Pro-JW sites handling the RC situation ???

  by RubaDub in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sorry as this topic may have been covered many times but any thoughts or links to other topics on how the pro-jw websites are commenting on this.. rub a dub.

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  You can challenge these guys who are Pro-JW
  

  http://www.truetheology.net/forum/
  SERIOUS CHALLENGES TO ANY OF THE INFORMATION PRESENTED HERE CAN BE DISCUSSED ON THE TRUE THEOLOGY FORUM LOCATED BELOW VIA REQUEST. REQUESTS CAN BE SUBMITTED TO [email protected]
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  Australian branch co-ordinator Terrence O'Brien gets called out for lying to the Royal Commission

  by Mickey mouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  watch from 1:47:00 as angus stewart of the royal commission investigation into child abuse calls out the australian branch co-ordinator for lying about geoffrey jackson's role on the governing body.

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  that since the Governing Body was not

  23 involved in the implementation and administration of

  24 policies and procedures in relation to child sexual abuse,

  25 he would not be able to give relevant evidence.

  
  

  Interestingly, if the GB is supposedly the channel of God on earth, and the organization led by the GB is supposedly God's organization, it means that the policies on sexual abuse in God's organization are not inspired by God. This means that that policies are men's policies, so the Australian branch co-ordinator is admitting that Jehovah's Witnesses are following men's policies and not God's instructions.
  
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  Theos and theon

  by SonoftheTrinity in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  oh how dubs will cling to da troof.

  this guy was trying to get me to agree that theos and theon were different words for god.

  i tried explaining that other languages have grammatical cases and the difference between calling god theos and theon was like the difference between referring to god as he(the subjective case) and him(the objective case.

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  Harner helped revolutionize our understanding of this grammatical construction and thus went farther than what Colwell did. Colwell was concerned about whether Jo 1:1c made θεος a definite or an indefinite noun. Harner showed that it was neither.

  I don't think that a count noun as the noun "theos" can lose its definiteness or its indefiniteness on account of its predicative position in a copulative sentence. I doubt that a common greek reader of the second century could grasp the difference between "kai theos hn ho logos" and "kai ho logos hn theos". So, I think that it is an anachronism to state that the position of the predicate eliminate the definiteness or the indefiniteness of the noun "theos".

  It is very important to listen how a common greek reader understood naturally the sentence. Origen, commented what was the common confusion in the in the third century about John 1:1:
  

  Now there are many who are sincerely concerned about religion, and who fall here into great perplexity. They are afraid that they may be proclaiming two Gods, and their fear drives them into doctrines which are false and wicked. (Origen, Commentary on John, book II, chapter II)

  So, the many greek readers understood the anarthrous "theos" in John 1:1c as indefinite, because it is a count noun, not a mass noun. Of course, it caused terrible theological implications, because it affected the concept of the existence of "one and only true God". But we don't know what the writer of the first chapter of the Gospel of John had in mind. May be he was influenced by Philo's theology.
  
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  Theos and theon

  by SonoftheTrinity in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  oh how dubs will cling to da troof.

  this guy was trying to get me to agree that theos and theon were different words for god.

  i tried explaining that other languages have grammatical cases and the difference between calling god theos and theon was like the difference between referring to god as he(the subjective case) and him(the objective case.

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  opusdei1972

  For anyone who is interested in understanding how scholars can translate John 1:1c, you must ask them the following. Change the word "logos" by other one, like "Zeus". So, ask them, without talking about of John 1:1, how would they translate the following sentence:

  THEOS HN hO ZEUS
  

  All of them will agree that it means "Zeus was a god". But they can admit that it may mean "Zeus was God" if the writer believed that Zeus was the only true God. Both are correct translations, but the context defines the definiteness of indefiniteness of the anarthrous. The problem is if you show them the noun "logos" instead of "Zeus", because it has theological consequences.