neat blue dog - I would agree with you, if the WT had included the rest of Singh's original piece. That it's because said people do not understand evolution and so evolution should be taught at colleges. And missing off that key part of what Singh wrote changes the meaning quite radically. Any fool can pull out sentences to make them say what they want them to say devoid of their original context. I remember being taught why not to do it as a 14 year old.
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Do you think the 'Rama Singh misquote' situation is uncalled for?
by neat blue dog inlet's be honest with ourselves, even if you have an ax to grind with the wts.
i mean, the quote in question was merely a statement of what he believed to be a fact, or else he wouldn't have said it.
there was nothing in the quote (and everyone has the right to make accurate quotes under the fair use doctrine), that even remotely suggested that he was pro-creationism or anything like that.
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Do you think the 'Rama Singh misquote' situation is uncalled for?
by neat blue dog inlet's be honest with ourselves, even if you have an ax to grind with the wts.
i mean, the quote in question was merely a statement of what he believed to be a fact, or else he wouldn't have said it.
there was nothing in the quote (and everyone has the right to make accurate quotes under the fair use doctrine), that even remotely suggested that he was pro-creationism or anything like that.
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Mephis
I think every instance of the WTBTS misusing quotes to twist them should be highlighted. What they wanted that quote to say is shown by what they replaced it with. Singh was being perfectly reasonable to ask for an apology. It is exceptionally bad form to do what the WTBTS did. That they did it without expressing any remorse, and have done similar things for years, shows they are either incompetent or dishonest in how they treat academic works. They are not forced to treat their material honestly, nor are they forced to apologise for treating it dishonestly, so the only thing left is publicising that this is the religious version of the National Enquirer. Caveat emptor. -
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Newton versus Watchtower quackery
by opusdei1972 inthe following is a watchtower's criticism against newton:.
down through the ages, talented scientists have indeed made surprising breakthroughs in their search for answers to puzzling questions about nature.
some, however, have also made serious errors in the process.
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Mephis
They caveat their website stuff on science with calling it "true science" when they can get it to agree with their beliefs. Hardly a surprise that they're very keen to highlight the elements of scientists' work which are rejected as things move on. They confuse 'science' with 'religion'. One of them doesn't pretend to have all the answers all the time. -
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so back to thee days a week at the KH
by oppostate inso now with the saturday viewing of videos at the kh there's pressure to be at the kh to see the gb do their thing.
this week's thing of course is beg for more money.
also they are meeting to practice singing the new songs when no new videos are out.
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@Daniel1955
The letter announcing that the tv station was going to be continued had the 'suggestion' that people start watching it together. They didn't set, I mean suggest, a day for it, but one would suspect this sort of thing will become more common.
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Mays JW TV Broadcast/Your feedback is appreciated
by ToesUp ini have a pretty good intuition but i have to admit i am going back and forth on the jw tv may broadcast.
i keep asking myself are they really in financial trouble (wishful thinking) or are they just grabbing for more money?.
i always appreciate reading everyone's thoughts and ideas on here.. let me know what you think.
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Mephis
I agree with d4g's points, but do wonder whether there are deeper issues there. What triggered the restructuring to begin with? And the more recent cash grabs on kingdom hall funds hint towards a genuine current cashflow problem.
The capital projects are grandiose and obviously, in a sane business, would be carefully examined for value. Is there genuinely a need for hundreds of millions to be spent on RTOs? Or on increasing the pace of kingdom hall construction/refurbishment in a low growth area such as the USA? And where does the massive new development in Britain fit into things?
They clearly do have problems there, with many of them being a product of their own delusions.
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May tv.jw.org program
by zophar inthe may broadcast on tv.jw.org.
we need money!.
http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.
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Mephis
The Welsh language RTO cost £910k (c.$1.4m US) just for the 5 bedroomed house they bought in Snowdonia, and presumably there will be costs on top of this to make it fit for purpose. This at the same time as they're going to spend an estimated £150m (c$230m US) on a massive new facility at Chelmsford. It's an utterly bizarre use of money given the translation does not need to be done in rural NW Wales.
As Jesus was meant to have said: "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won't you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it?". Clearly not for this lot.
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ARE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY STATISTICS REALLY TRUSTWORTHY?
by TerryWalstrom inof these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps.
1,000 died in prison and concentration camps.
another 1,000 of jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.".
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Mephis
The neutrality aspect is one where I'd trust little of what the WT self-reports. 1950 and Cold War Europe. Everyone had been an anti-Nazi or member of a resistance movement. The WT rides popular political trends just as well as everyone else. Look at how keenly they've hammered the Catholic church in the past, whilst Rutherford's political overtures get the whitewash treatment.
Just to add some more suggested figures, the best I can come up with is of c.30,000 'witnesses' in Germany, c.10,000 were at one point or another imprisoned in what was a clear attempt to eradicate the religion. Of those c.10,000, c.2,000 went to camps where c.950 died. If one wants to make a comparison, one could look to the death rates of those sent to camps for homosexuality where around 50% died.
Sources: Niermann, Die Durchsetzung politischer und politisierter Strafjustiz im Dritten Reich (Dusseldorf, 1995), 295 -305, Schmidt, 'Beabsichtige ich, die Todesstrafe zu beantragen', 105-107 and Wachsmann, Hitler's Prisons, 180-183
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Legally can WT forcibly remove money from KH bank accounts with out the signees permission
by joe134cd ini just wondered if the wtbts could legally remove the money from the congregation accounts with out the signees permission.
are the bank accounts deemed society property with the change of realestate ownership into the societies name.
legally could they get away with it if the situation arose , and if not how could they manipulate the situation so they could.
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Mephis
In Britain, each congregation is registered as an individual charity. The trustees are typically the elders and some ministerial servants.There will typically be authorised signatories within that group who are able to access the kingdom hall bank account/s. It falls onto them to make decisions. Of course, they'd be very unlikely to kick against anything they're told to do but they don't get to pass the buck for those decisions. -
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Favorite Music Video
by WildTurkey in.
what is your favorite music video?
after shes my cherry pie, i like foo fighters learn to fly
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Couple of mine, helps I like the songs too.
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Would you call JW HQ???
by DATA-DOG ini have a friend who is still in.
this friend is a partaker, but has serious doubts about the org.
this friend wants to stand up as a man, and wants to call wtbts hq.
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Mephis
Fair play to your friend for wanting to see change. But, as others have said, the results will either be disappointing or your friend will find themselves in the back room answering the loyalty question. If your friend is willing to challenge evasions, misstatements and outright falsehoods, then s/he's showing that they're not being loyal to the GB. And if s/he isn't willing to challenge and push then what is his/her hope for the conversation to accomplish?
It doesn't really matter if you give name, congregation or claim to be the appointed if the GB wave the apostate stick in your direction. There's enough already who've been down that road to show that.