Posts by Mephis

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How EARLY CHURCH divisions destroyed HISTORY

by TerryWalstrom in

can history really be destroyed?.

would otherwise moral authorities participate in such destruction?.

can we believe there is accuracy in historical documents pertaining to the early christian church?.

Mephis

I don't think you can make the leap to Papias' works being suppressed or deliberately destroyed because they are lost? eg Tertullian's works survived, and he too was a premillenialist. Eusebius was sceptical of the claims that Papias knew John the apostle, and also of the traditions which Papias is supposed to have written, but Papias is cited long after Eusebius. (C7th at least for references to his work? Perhaps later in the Armenian tradition?).

What we know of Papias does indicate a different tradition, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility for some of, or at least more quotes from, his writings to show up at some stage much as the Gnostic writings continue to.

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By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.

by FadingTruth in

august 2015 awake .

quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.

why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.

Mephis

That's a moronic piece even by their standards.

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Was it worth it?

by John Aquila in

for those of you who left family and friends and had to start over from scratch just to get out of the organization, was it worth it?.

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Mephis

Yes. Sad, difficult at times, but wouldn't change my decision.

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Deceiving statements in The Watchtower (Study Edition) September 2015

by opusdei1972 in

on page 9, paragraph 7:.

neither a branch office nor the local congregation elders are authorized to make health-care decisions for a witness, even if he asks what to do.

(gal.

Mephis

DATA-DOG's nailed it for me. Beyond the hypocrisy, beyond the sudden urge to seek greater control with the blood issue, there is the legal issue of being held responsible for enforcing their bizarre views on blood transfusions. Helps with getting recognised as a religion in some countries, helps avoid law suits in others.

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What is true love?

by hoser in

jw
friends

i just watched the video what is true love.

first of all it is painfully long.

secondly there is an uncanny resemblance with megan(the one who married out of the truth) to the girl in the jeremiah book who married out of the truth.

Mephis

Lisa Rose

Yeah, we are only 4% of the population, so we are usually the odd one in any group, but other groups don't make you feel like there there is no hope for you as much as the JWs, lol.
Did you know the person who developed the Myers-Briggs was also an INFP? Although we might not fit in everywhere, we have our own unique perspective to bring to the world, just not the JW world.

Very true. I had a lot of problems trying to fit in there, vanished into my own little space in the end as a result of a few things. But gradually woke up to the idea that being me wasn't the problem - it was trying to contort myself into what they held out as the 'ideal' which was. And their ideal marriage - eek!! Know it works for some, but not for me, oh no. Escaped as a late teen, so not so bad in the end.

Personally, I take as self-reported broad description of some traits, although the INFP thing for me fits far too close for comfort at times. Does help explain some things about how I tick, and why I struggled with a few things looking back. :D

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607 B.C. controversy

by FusionTheism in

i'm not sure the whole 607 b.c.e.

controversy is really that major of a deal.. even if the society admits it and changes it, that's only a difference of 20-21 years, so the governing body could just shift 1914 to 1934-1935 and say that world war ii and hitler was the beginning of the signs.. a much bigger issue is why they even say daniel's tree prophecy has an antitypical fulfillment, especially after their new light on types and antitypes..

Mephis

I don't think they even need to drop 1914. They've redefined the word 'generation' in a way which allows them to run with it for as long as they care to. They've gone from the generation which will never die to the generation which will never end.

Would large numbers currently inside notice to call BS on it? From listening to some inside talk, it's increasingly clear to me that many haven't really a clue on what they're meant to believe about some things. Just avoid looking anywhere but jw.org, parrot back the WT paragraphs on a Sunday and devolve thinking to the 7 old toads in Brooklyn.

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What is true love?

by hoser in

jw
friends

i just watched the video what is true love.

first of all it is painfully long.

secondly there is an uncanny resemblance with megan(the one who married out of the truth) to the girl in the jeremiah book who married out of the truth.

Mephis

I'm another INFP who really, really didn't fit in. The idea of a JW wedding filled me with horror as a teen. Reading life is too short's post, yeah, glad I passed on that.

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Help? :(

by BlackWolf in

i apologize for how rantish this is but please hear me out.

anyways i'm a 15 year old girl and i've never really wanted to be a jw.

its just never been something thats made me feel happy or loved.

Mephis

Hi Blackwolf, forum's eaten my post it seems. So short version instead - keep going with help for depression and anorexia, don't give up on your dreams, it sucks being awake but trapped inside the JW thing (did it myself) but you've only a relatively short time before society counts you as an adult too. Good luck.

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And you will live happily ever after

by John Aquila in

one thing i have to admit is that the wts are experts at inducing guilt, fear and creating fantasies.

if youve seen their latest video for single sisters, it will scare the shi** of any single jw sister even thinking of marrying someone who is not baptized.

video recap;.

Mephis

This is also a stick for the single, straight men still inside. Jump through the hoops to become an MS, or the fact that women outnumber you 2 to 1 isn't going to mean you get married. No surprises they're ramping up the manipulation and control aspects again.

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Witnesses called for a bible study

by umbertoecho in

hello all.. i haven't been here for some time to post as mainly i read the comments and such.

yesterday was a really interesting, unnerving experience though.

two sisters had called last week when i had an abscess on my tooth and was sort of sick from it.

Mephis

Having to read and discuss the Bible in context will make them very uncomfortable. Their whole approach is to cherry pick a line or verse and then torture it into some relevance. But as you grew up inside too, you know this already. Thing with discussing doctrine with them is that true believers will just block out anything you tell them or show them. It's kind of interesting to watch them doing it as they shift from prepared talking point to prepared talking point.

As Heaven says, you'll get the elder come and if you're still not going to play by their rules then they'll likely not come again. If you're not going to accept the WT as the source of all wisdom, then you'll never be a good drone for the Borg. ;)