Posts by Mephis

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607 B.C. controversy

by FusionTheism in

i'm not sure the whole 607 b.c.e.

controversy is really that major of a deal.. even if the society admits it and changes it, that's only a difference of 20-21 years, so the governing body could just shift 1914 to 1934-1935 and say that world war ii and hitler was the beginning of the signs.. a much bigger issue is why they even say daniel's tree prophecy has an antitypical fulfillment, especially after their new light on types and antitypes..

Mephis

I don't think they even need to drop 1914. They've redefined the word 'generation' in a way which allows them to run with it for as long as they care to. They've gone from the generation which will never die to the generation which will never end.

Would large numbers currently inside notice to call BS on it? From listening to some inside talk, it's increasingly clear to me that many haven't really a clue on what they're meant to believe about some things. Just avoid looking anywhere but jw.org, parrot back the WT paragraphs on a Sunday and devolve thinking to the 7 old toads in Brooklyn.

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What is true love?

by hoser in

jw
friends

i just watched the video what is true love.

first of all it is painfully long.

secondly there is an uncanny resemblance with megan(the one who married out of the truth) to the girl in the jeremiah book who married out of the truth.

Mephis

I'm another INFP who really, really didn't fit in. The idea of a JW wedding filled me with horror as a teen. Reading life is too short's post, yeah, glad I passed on that.

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Help? :(

by BlackWolf in

i apologize for how rantish this is but please hear me out.

anyways i'm a 15 year old girl and i've never really wanted to be a jw.

its just never been something thats made me feel happy or loved.

Mephis

Hi Blackwolf, forum's eaten my post it seems. So short version instead - keep going with help for depression and anorexia, don't give up on your dreams, it sucks being awake but trapped inside the JW thing (did it myself) but you've only a relatively short time before society counts you as an adult too. Good luck.

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And you will live happily ever after

by John Aquila in

one thing i have to admit is that the wts are experts at inducing guilt, fear and creating fantasies.

if youve seen their latest video for single sisters, it will scare the shi** of any single jw sister even thinking of marrying someone who is not baptized.

video recap;.

Mephis

This is also a stick for the single, straight men still inside. Jump through the hoops to become an MS, or the fact that women outnumber you 2 to 1 isn't going to mean you get married. No surprises they're ramping up the manipulation and control aspects again.

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Witnesses called for a bible study

by umbertoecho in

hello all.. i haven't been here for some time to post as mainly i read the comments and such.

yesterday was a really interesting, unnerving experience though.

two sisters had called last week when i had an abscess on my tooth and was sort of sick from it.

Mephis

Having to read and discuss the Bible in context will make them very uncomfortable. Their whole approach is to cherry pick a line or verse and then torture it into some relevance. But as you grew up inside too, you know this already. Thing with discussing doctrine with them is that true believers will just block out anything you tell them or show them. It's kind of interesting to watch them doing it as they shift from prepared talking point to prepared talking point.

As Heaven says, you'll get the elder come and if you're still not going to play by their rules then they'll likely not come again. If you're not going to accept the WT as the source of all wisdom, then you'll never be a good drone for the Borg. ;)

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Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

by greenhornet in

the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

Mephis

Richard Evans in The Third Reich in Power places the initial problem with JW beliefs re.politics and the fact that they were taking instructions from the USA. Problems with the Nazi state began from 1933 and gradually ramped up. However, things really got out of hand after the 1936 international convention at Lucerne and the leaflet campaign which followed in Germany.

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Paradise is going to suck!

by WasOnceBlind in

once you really start thinking about it, the whole paradise idea is kind of depressing.

i remember growing up as kids my sister was the first to tell my parents (admittedly very courageously) that she wasn't sure she wanted to live in paradise, it sounded boring living forever.

i thought she was dumb for thinking that, i mean playing with lions!!!!

Mephis

Totalitarianism is not only hell, but all the dream of paradise-- the age-old dream of a world where everybody would live in harmony, united by a single common will and faith, without secrets from one another. - Kundera

JWs made it up as they went along when I was in. Holy Spirit substituted for science when required to create a mental image which worked for the individual. But really, if one takes what they are proposing, it's a theocratic, totalitarian state with everyone reduced to the status of drone, where thought crime becomes reality and punishable by death without appeal, and where one faces an eternity of performing on command to the whims of a malevolent psychopathic god without the prospect of parole or appeal and where death via disobedience will be the only escape. How fun.

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G Losch: child baptised at 5, reg pioneer since!

by fifth.column in

at the end of april, there was a zone visit in france, with tv broadcast in all kh.. g. losch told he received a letter from a girl, 10 years old, baptised at 5, reg pioneer since 4 years !

what a fine example, he said....... let s imagine the faces of the parents in the kh!

i was happy to see i was not the only one to find it crazy.. if you have a child, you know how mature he is at 5. how can a child preach 2.5hours/day after 7hours of school and homework to do??

Mephis

There has been confirmation of the comments made at the French meeting by some in the private FB groups too. Just to add backing to what fifth column has said here. There is meant to be a poor quality audio recording about too, so hopefully that will be passed out from the Francophone ex-jw community at some stage.

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'Anointeds' Do you know any and if so what are they like ?

by Introvert 2 in

would like to hear about any experiences anyone has had with the so called ' anointed ' .

Mephis

I've known a handful - all women. One lady was what the JWs would call 'spiritual'. She felt demons, reckoned she had her own personal angel bodyguard, would use her stick to hit me or smash a toy if she felt I wasn't being 'spiritual' playing in her presence. Another of that age was really sweet, really quiet and really unassuming. Couple of others from a few decades later were real hard-bitten single women. Pioneered for years, took no nonsense, and would stare down COs who confused conscience matters with doctrine. Those all had died by the early 90s. A lady who discovered that she was annointed in the mid-90s, after a few decades of being a JW was a real piece of work. Once she claimed to be annointed, she started to make the nastiest comments to people and expect them to give her extra special treatment. I was in my late teens and we clashed a lot. People are people really, so mixed bag in spite of them doing the wine and crackers night every year.

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Secret disfellowshipping

by disillusioned 2 in

i always thought it was ridiculous that when a person was disfellowshipped they didn't tell us why.

everybody would speculate, but we wouldn't know the real reason.

also i thought they were only supposed to be disfellowshipped if they weren't repentant and wouldn't stop doing the wrong thing.

Mephis

I was in when they did use to say. Didn't really stop the speculation. Just fanned it really - "who with?!". To be honest, it was kind of rare in my congregation not to know why someone had been disfellowshipped - small communities and all that fun. And if you were still not sure, local needs was always enlightening after public reproof. All a bit of a farce really. It's not like the PO ever stood up and said "X has been disfellowshipped because he said he stopped with the koolaid and realised it was BS" or "We disfellowshipped Y because we just really didn't like her so decided not to believe her story after asking her inappropriate questions for several hours".