Think he meant those touting the homeopathy stuff by the Jdubs in healthcare. Can't fathom that one otherwise. It's not like many countries require professional qualifications usually preceded by higher education...
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"Extreme and radical therapies". Like mindfulness because of meditation. This guy is glib and it's an absolute pleasure to see him squirm. -
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Good point, The elders are all looking to the Service Desk as the answer, and the Service Desk is actually just giving them generic responses. Which may actually open them all to criminal sanctions as McClellan pointed out a few minutes ago. It's a very thin reed the local congregation elders are leaning on.
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Baker misses opertunity re no part of this world
by Diogenesister inwhy did disfellowshipped ex elder baker not explain why the elders have not informed themselves about the royal commission ?
mr stewart gave him the opertunity to explain the "no part of this world" doctrine, he merely expressed surprise that they had not informed themselves as if it were a personal foible of those particular elders.
it would have been a great opertunity to express disgust at the distain and uncaring attitude the society exhibits toward its worldly neighbours, i also believe him to be out of date re superior authority doctrine ..giving creedence to the lie the jw's are good and productive members of society.
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Because, as he said himself, "I'm indoctrinated with my beliefs". Hope one day he can question them a little more. It will be a real shock for him, born-in, rode out 75, did Bethel, df'd in the early 90s whilst PO. And just buried it ever since. I can relate to aspects of that. But what he did do is put a human face onto things, and he showed up the elders inside who evade questions by doing his darndest to be informed about the commission, by reviewing his evidence and memory, and disclosing without trying to conceal. And expressing regret he hadn't chased up his concerns about the daughters of the abuser.
There was a basic humanity to Mr.Baker which was lacking in those still in, those still checking their conscience to one side because the WBTS tells them too. The very act of reaching out to the survivor spoke volumes against men who wouldn't even read her statement if counsel doesn't force them to. And those men are not strangers like Monty Baker, but people who've known her since childhood.
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"As you know, I've been indoctrinated by my beliefs."
Lot of empathy for that man.
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McClellan questioning Monty over role of women in JWs, specifically over being elders and whether bible should be read in the context of modern society. -
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McClellan, "One of the conclusions available [about secrecy over pedophile cases] is that the hierarchy of the church would be embarassed if allegations of this type had got out."
Monty explains that public image is important to JWs, attracts people into religion, and it would be damaging to come out. Expresses doubt about numbers cited by commission.
McClellan explains those are church's own files.
Just personal thing, but think this poor man still is partly in the JW way of thinking even after 20+ years out. Lot of empathy for that. Was only over past year I've woken up after 20 years out too. Things which shouldn't be were still 'normal'. But he's still a human voice after those drone elders.
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Monty expressing regret that he didn't "follow through on my question 'what about the daughters?'".
In hindsight, wishes he'd asked about welfare of the daughters. Believes that any elder would do that.
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They're questioning Monty Baker over videolink and it seems to have died. Lots of whispered conversations as they try to sort it out. -
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The difference is striking. He's clearly trying his best to give absolute full disclosure of what he remembers and knows. He perhaps hasn't joined the dots on why elders wouldn't do this now. But still "I don't want to diminish our responsibility [for not looking into abuse when looking to reinstate abuser]". The serving elders can't even contemplate they did anything wrong.