I'm agnostic in the general sense because I can entertain the idea of a being somewhere in the universe of such vast power that humans would label it 'god'. If there were such a being, I've seen no evidence for it playing a role in human development or society so one may as well deal with that absence and crack on with things. If there's a belief system which comes closest to mine, it's probably something like humanism. Agnosticism stresses the knowledge element, so proof and evidence over belief. There is a point where it becomes de facto atheism. They're not the same terms, but they're not exclusive either.
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was Darwin an atheist?
by Ruby456 inasking this q because my own feeling about this is that he probably believed in god but his evolutionary thesis is used to support atheism.
how come?
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was Darwin an atheist?
by Ruby456 inasking this q because my own feeling about this is that he probably believed in god but his evolutionary thesis is used to support atheism.
how come?
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Mephis
does agnostic mean that one can be a believer in God sometimes and not believe in God at other times?
More the final position he reached, with a long personal journey to get there. Most biographies trace the change over time until eventually he's willing to go public with his agnosticism.
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'Worldly' man looking for a little more understanding...
by Verecocha insaw similar title in a google search so thought i'd read more and now simply have to share my experience if anything to hear that i'm not insane and it is that simple.. met and fell madly in love with a witness, and her with me.
what began as love at first sight turned into a 6 year relatiomship which simply ended very bluntly.
there were many painful twists and turns along the way, first from her inability to leave her husband, then my mistake in finding someone else as i simply couldn't take the pain of her coming and going with such simplicity, but in the end she got a divorce and suffered many consequences within 'the truth', and i sorted my issues which were many and admittedly dug with my own hands and stupidity in trying to protect a young girl who had done no wrong in this long affair.. eventually we found ourself on what i believed to be the home straight.
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Mephis
I can't speak to the marriage stuff. But the relationship aspect is familiar to me. Some of us come out of it pretty raw and pretty maladapted to things. If the sudden end and silence is a shock, then see it as a really unhealthy continuation of what happens to us when we leave and our whole lives are suddenly cut away from us. Both coping mechanism and behaviour drilled into us as perfectly normal. If we're trying to stay in and have something outside, that puts a horrific strain on things. But that's how it is.
Some stuff sounds not really JW specific, I know from friends who've never been JWs that they've gone through divorces/breakups with someone who they then realised they didn't want to be with once the situation had changed. But I don't personally have experience from either side of that.
Good luck for the future. You're right that some ex-JWs carry stuff which needs working through, but others don't. Even with culty background stuffs, we're still individuals ;)
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Evidence of Human Activity in Northern Siberia 45,000 years ago.
by fulltimestudent inthis information makes the biblical dating of human origins a sad joke.
quote: " when they dated the remains, the researchers got another surprise: the mammoth died 45,000 years ago.
that means that humans lived in the arctic more than 10,000 years earlier than scientists believed, according to a new study.
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Mephis
All this information really does is deepen the mystery about the self awareness of mankind and how in such little progression there was over such a long period of time.
Still the same problem as it ever was. Information transmission within pre-literate hunter/gatherer clans isn't really all that good if you're hoping to join the space race any time soon. I still want to thank the person who figured out that those leaves thrown in hot water tasted good. That's some long term trial and error testing going on, and not a trial I'd want to take part in.
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WT Study 1/10/16 Encouraging Child Baptism And More Nonsense
by JW_Rogue ini've noticed that each wt lesson really only has one or two points they want remembered.
normally they build up to these by about the third subheading.
this week's lesson though was different, the main point was insidiously made through an experience in the first paragraph:.
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Mephis
The process is engineered to make it seem meaningful, to load it with consequences and obligations. It gives what they do the veneer of a religious rationale. It's still a load of hooey though when you take a step back from it all. Did you really sign a contract with invisible bearded guy in the sky? Really, really sign one? You didn't even sign one with the WBTS that has any meaning outside of JWland. No-one gets to dictate your life to you on that level unless you decide you want them to. Or you live in a repressive totalitarian dictatorship. That's the decision which is hidden behind it all and which they desperately mask behind words. It's always 'Jehovah' and 'the bible', never 'us guys in Brooklyn had a vote and 4 of us decided that...'. -
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Are G.B. Members Too Scared to Visit the U.K. ?
by The Searcher in... in case the u.k. charities commission summons them - like the australian royal commission snared mr. jackson?
why else would they be sending two of their personal boot-lickers?.
credit to wifibandit for this post.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5658621048258560/boe-2016-01-13-britain-branch-visit-2016-01-18-correct-use-jw-org-inboxes.
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Mephis
I've received a letter from them confirming that they will be looking at all (bolded and underlined) religions before they're done. The survivors who wish to contact them and put their stories on record won't be ignored.
There's been nothing on any of the Charity Commission investigations since last year's (failed) attempt by the WBTS to prevent the Moston and WBTS ones going ahead. Currently still listed as live investigations.
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Is there evidence for networks of abuse?
by slimboyfat ini tend to avoid the subject because it's too depressing, so i've probably missed lots of discussion about this issue.
but i read a comment on youtube yesterday that shocked me and made me wonder.
the person claimed that many years ago abusers in society generally identified jws as a safe haven for abusers and joined en masse order to exploit the situation.
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Mephis
There has been no evidence of this in any case I can recall. One doesn't really need networks of abusers to join up to have the JW problem. They have a culture and set of policies which allow abusers to go unchecked for years unless a survivor (or responsible adult) is able to report what happens as soon as it does. Which is often not something which will happen. I'd be really wary of a narrative of 'evil worldly men taking advantage of God's loving organisation'. Because that's JW buckpassing on a serious issue again. There may be abusers doing that, there may not be. But JW policies, procedures and internal culture enable abusers regardless. A perfect storm for abuse as I think counsel for ARC put it. -
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Are G.B. Members Too Scared to Visit the U.K. ?
by The Searcher in... in case the u.k. charities commission summons them - like the australian royal commission snared mr. jackson?
why else would they be sending two of their personal boot-lickers?.
credit to wifibandit for this post.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5658621048258560/boe-2016-01-13-britain-branch-visit-2016-01-18-correct-use-jw-org-inboxes.
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Mephis
The 12 investigations announced are the first twelve to be worked on. The inquiry will look at any and all abuse involving children over any time period Justice Goddard and her team decide is needed.
edit: "These 12 investigations constitute the first phase of the Inquiry’s work and further investigations will be announced as the Inquiry progresses."
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/investigations
There is also a charity commission investigation into JWs as a whole in Britain, as well as two into specific congregations.
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Fiery Furnace: A symbol or a literal?
by MercyBrew inmatt.
13: 24 - 30 contains a parable spoken by the lord jesus himself.
in it jesus spoke of a symbolic sower who sowed symbolic seeds in a symbolic field.
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Mephis
They're not alone in their view of it being a metaphorical fiery furnace. The problem is that they also reject the idea of it being a reference to hellfire/eternal damnation etc etc. It's not the only reference in Matthew to the whole thing either - Matthew 8:12 gives a similar sort of place.
Not a believer in the slightest, but I can't think of way to get Matthew 13:42 to fit JW doctrine without excessive use of derp. But then JW doctrine does this sort of thing a lot. It's doctrine by selective, context free, quotation.There's no internally consistent way in which they use canon scripture. Everything is literal until it's too inconvenient, and then those bits need interpretation back to what the writer really meant which miraculously always turns out to fit JW doctrine. Praise Jehovah. That approach is even set out as one of the things they did for the recent NWT revisions.
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Any William Miller Scholars out there?
by neverendingjourney infor those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.
see this chart:.
if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).
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Mephis
@neverendingjourney. For sure. That's something Dowling picks up in his argument against Miller with the 2300 days prophecy in Daniel 8:14. Where do you start it from? You can pick any date which you fancy up to 70 AD I guess.