Posts by BucketShopBill

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Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Susceptible To Ponzi-Schemes and Rip-Off Artist More than the public!

by BucketShopBill in

this thread is dedicated to my friend blondie when she asked "why the pay day loan shop woman had so much access to jws".

in 1993 the jehovah's witnesses in ventura, santa barbara, san luis obispo, monterery, stanislaus, san fransisco, alemeda counties were spreading word of the miracle worker of money from san fransisco.

word traveled throughout the circuit overseers, district overseers telling everyone these brothers in san fransisco were paying 15% for "180 days loans"without any risk, most of these jws were elders and cos and dos, it was only among them the scam remained to create a "in crowd feeling" and left out non elders setting up the sheep for something special down the road!

BucketShopBill

John Denver, the singer from the Aloha States hated us too, how many Hollywood Singers hated us according to Watchtower Legend? When John Denver's plane fell out of the sky off the Coast near Monterery, I heard many JWs say "Oh Yeah, now he's going to have to eat his words when he's brought back from the dead!"

Who was from the Aloha State the Witnesses said hated the Organization?

Your best bet is to invest in a passive Index Fund and find a place that charges $2.00 to buy each time you want to buy a Index. Compare this Islamic Based Fund vs the Indices, you don't have the transaction costs and some Fund Manager trying to chase the Alpha costing you money. CALPERs recently decided to get rid of their exposure to Hedge Funds because they underperformed all the Indices but you must remember most of the Nasdaq Stocks are underperforming, the top positions like Apple and Semi-conductors are moving these things higher. Latin America has been in a Bear Zone for a long time, Japan's Thirty Year Recession, stick with Ultra-Low Cost Index Funds.

These are leveraged funds and one is a Business Loan Fund (BDCL) Wells Fargo Development, these are not for the average person, for some of the JWN Members who know what they are is why I posted them.

http://etracs.ubs.com/product/list/index/assetClass/equities

http://etracs.ubs.com/product/detail/index/ussymbol/DVYL

http://www.amanafunds.com/retail/performance/mutual_funds2.shtml

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not on JW.ORG: Why did "Holy Spirit" direct Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body member JF Rutherford to build a private luxury compound ( Beth Sarim) during the great depression?

by Balaamsass2 in

beth sarimfrom wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

coordinates: 324616.36n 1170556.70w.

historybible student movementleadership disputesplinter groupsdoctrinal developmentunfulfilled predictionsdemographicsby countrybeliefspracticessalvationeschatologythe 144,000faithful and discreet slavehymnsgod's nameblooddisciplineliteraturethe watchtowerawake!new world translationlist of publicationsbibliographyteaching programskingdom hallgilead schoolpeoplewatch tower presidentsw.

BucketShopBill

What if a group of JWs paid for a Tour de Beth Sarim? We could do a Youtube Video of a group of Ex-JWs discovering their heritage and showing the World the high life JF lived. Do you know anyone who knows how to film like "Blair Witch Project" and how could we could put up 3d images of Rutherford spouting off his strange prophecy while holding a big bottle of gin?

With Forest Gump you had the first use of putting Tom Hanks before Richard Nixon, imagine having Rutherford in his own video speaking from the dead to all of us on the tour? Cool idea!

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London Press Conference on CULTS and UNDUE INFLUENCE - Aug 22, 2014

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkhwfsnq7o&list=uuz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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BucketShopBill

Enzo I missed your posts, I asked about you and I noticed you commented on one of my other threads. You've stated in the past you don't obey the Watchtower's leadership and are free to make choices to frequent Apostate message boards, Bravo!

You have the same high caliber of one of my favorite posters who went MIA and now is back, please stay a little longer this time! You are the only one who can explain the "overlapping generation" with any sense, you are a JW Apologist when it suits your needs, I like having you here to keep the forums fun, welcome back friend!

I would not name call Enzo, he or she is far from a moron but a highly skilled and educated Witnesses that enjoys dealing with JW apologetics, you don't have this caliber of person around these forums often, make good use of their skills and ask questions you would like to know about JW Theology because Enzo if the real deal, your talking with one of the Writing Committee Annointed Members people!

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Posters do you know of any cases where a devout JW was DF'd for Lesbianism?

by booker-t in

i think this is a hush hush topic among jws but i remember years ago at an assembly i saw two sisters(i am only assuming they were jws they could have been studies or relatives of jws) walking arm and arm like a married couple.

some of the jws looked at them like they had horns.

some of the jws moms were covering their small children's eyes and those two women were stared at like they had the plague.

BucketShopBill

No, the sister was not raped, she decided to have sex with multipule men, she wanted to see what sex was like as seen on porn flicks. People can suffer weird effects from hypomania, during the "highs" they can become hyper-sexual, she decided to have sex with multipule men at once. You can't imagine the nightmare of a judicial committee a situation like this creates, we had no business trying to judge her because her brain was broken, when you add cocaine and mental illness that attacks your ability to make rational choices there's something called "Not Guilty By Reason of Mental Defect", she never should have been disfellowshiped for any of her conduct. Most States don't allow a mentally-challenged citizen to be held liable for signing a contract because they don't understand the implications of what signing a contract means.

The Elders judging the mentally ill and shunning mentally ill, mentally-handicapped and insane Witnesses shows you how twisted the Jehovah Witness religion truly is. It takes a tiny man with a little ball-sack to disfellowship and shun mentally ill witnesses, I don't think Jesus would have shunned the mentally ill, his ministry we all would be considered "thrashed" and nobody deserved to be near the Messiah. JW Elders think their sins are going to be forgiven and most of these men are the most hateful people of the Congrgation!

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What Are Jehovah's Witnesses Known For In Helping Humanity? What Can They Brag About?

by BucketShopBill in

catholic churches were known for starting schools, orphanages, resthomes, hospitals along with other ideas like universities.

we can debate who started what but you will be missing the point.

i know some of the best colleges were started by religion, what has the watchtower contributed to society as a whole?

BucketShopBill

In Africa there are Millions of Street Childern who can't afford to attend basic school we in the Western World enjoy from the taxation of our citizens. The Catholic Church has been making a strong effort to education as many of the Street Children as posible because they will end up having no future. Catholic Nuns and Priests, Missionaries are gathering donations and are able to educate many kids for $86 USD a year and this includes a meal that will be the only food they receive that day.

Clean Water and Cooking with new cheap technology, Fundamental Christians with other Orthodox Churches are trying to make a difference, how can you teach these Street Children to fish by handing them literature they can't read? Read through some of the Red Cross Refugee Camp stories and see how the Jehovah's Witnesses utilize Satan's tool (Red Cross) to locate their members that are receiving some food and shelter the Watchtower is not providing for their own members.

The 7th Day Adventist have the "Dorcas Ministry", was Dorcas a person who only helped Christians, oh, that's right Dorcas converted to Christianity and helped the widows and orphans of her land the Greek Bible speaks of. The following story below is about a man who is affiliated with the Jehovah's Witnesses religion, is he getting help from the "HOPE" agency from the Watchtower or another group?

Jehovah's Witnesses have a unusually high amount of people on Welfare, Disability or the Public Dole, seems a group that relies on Government Handouts would not be bragging about "giving people the means to stand on their own two feet". I know what happens in the Elders Meetings, we were taught to help Witnesses secure Government Food Stamps, Welfare and for Schizophrenic Witnesses the Elders helped them fill out the Social Security Disability forms. How is this teaching them to stand on their own two feet? Really this question has not been answered because after decades of being a free-labor-Fool for the Organization, I know we don't do anything to help Non JWs so we are just like the people Jesus addressed when he said "What good is it for you if you help those who are helping you?" or "If you invite those who can invite you in return, your just like the Nations!"

How many of you helped the Friends fill out Government Aid because the Watchtower Reps told you the Watchtower is not in a position to help anyone financially, they are there to take money, not hand it out! Yes, I am aware they collect the Insurance Checks and any surplus the Witnesses are asked to donate and if they don't they are "marked" and worked until they give all the Government Relief funds to the Watchtower without a cheerful spirit!

http://www.istoriai.info/2010/06/an-african-story/

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Turning My House in to A Ex-JW Gathering Church, Will it bug my JW Neighbors?

by BucketShopBill in

i am thinking of turning my house in to a ex-jw meeting place, getting bar, pool tables, ping-pong, foseball, pinball and kegs of beer on tap.

big screen singles pad for the local ex-jws to visit and hang out.

will this bug all the jws who live near by me, do they get weird around known apostates?.

BucketShopBill

I am thinking of turning my house in to a Ex-JW meeting place, getting bar, pool tables, ping-pong, foseball, pinball and kegs of beer on tap. Big Screen Singles pad for the local Ex-JWs to visit and hang out. Will this bug all the JWs who live near by me, do they get weird around known Apostates?

Ex-JWs will good reputations can stop by for lunch or dinner and we can have a good time. I enjoy the Ex-JWs I've met, would this bug my Super-Fine JW neighbors who are evil?

I don't like the people who live near me, I think they are demonic and Satan's helpers, how can I make them feel uncomfortable? Will seeing Ex-JWs having a good time, BBQs, Meetings of Beer tasting and Wine Tasting along with signs showing Russell's False Prophecy bother them? Is it legal to put up religious signs on my property and show the World they are Pedophile Lovers?

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Watchtower Takes in $2 Million Conditional Loan and Won't Return the Loan, Is it True?

by BucketShopBill in

i heard several stories of the watchtower taking in loans and donations given by rich witnesses who have fallen on to hard times and asked for the money back and the watchtower won't return the money.

have you ever heard of the watchtower only paying the money back on "conditional loans" once legal experts get invovled?

one of the stories that is around is a family donated a large chunk of their nest-egg to the watchtower and the husband got sick and the branch refused to contact him when he asked for his conditional donation back, would the watchtower screw people out of their money?

BucketShopBill

I heard several stories of the Watchtower taking in loans and donations given by rich Witnesses who have fallen on to hard times and asked for the money back and the Watchtower won't return the money. Have you ever heard of the Watchtower only paying the money back on "Conditional Loans" once legal experts get invovled?

One of the stories that is around is a family donated a large chunk of their nest-egg to the Watchtower and the husband got sick and the Branch refused to contact him when he asked for his conditional donation back, would the Watchtower screw people out of their money? They seem like they are the type of take from their members and don't provide any tangible services!

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Watchtower Is Outraged! Look What Comes Up When You Type Jehovah's Witnesses on Google!

by BucketShopBill in

http://www.familiesagainstcultteachings.org/education-about-cults/destructive-groups/.

google will put up in the number one slot who ever is paying them the highest amount of cash, i was surprised to see what changed over the last two days, what do you make of this?

when i typed in jehovah's witnesses news the following link and story came up!

BucketShopBill

If someone paid Google a higher rate to post something different Google would, the BP Oil Accident was one example of that. The Lie that JW.ORG's was getting the first three-lines from Google for free, was nothing more than the Watchtower lying again! Google does nothing for free, especially for Cults!

The Watchtower is so dishonest making claims "Jehovah is blessing us because we are at the top of Google's search!". Some at the District-Regional Conventions will remember the Fibs being told that Jehovah's was using Google to place his Faith Slave's name in the first line of the search engine results! Why do they need to lie, don't they fear God?

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Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Susceptible To Ponzi-Schemes and Rip-Off Artist More than the public!

by BucketShopBill in

this thread is dedicated to my friend blondie when she asked "why the pay day loan shop woman had so much access to jws".

in 1993 the jehovah's witnesses in ventura, santa barbara, san luis obispo, monterery, stanislaus, san fransisco, alemeda counties were spreading word of the miracle worker of money from san fransisco.

word traveled throughout the circuit overseers, district overseers telling everyone these brothers in san fransisco were paying 15% for "180 days loans"without any risk, most of these jws were elders and cos and dos, it was only among them the scam remained to create a "in crowd feeling" and left out non elders setting up the sheep for something special down the road!

BucketShopBill

Did you see "Wolf of Wall Street" Designs? I knew some guys who ran a "Boiler Room" out of Texas selling Penny Stocks to all the JWs in Southern California, most of their recommendations were as Henry Bloodget said "Heaping piles of "S($T!", the CFA who is banned along with World Comm's Cheerleader who worked for Smith Barney, what was the crook's name who helped propel WorldConn in to the biggest long-distance scam ever?

The Market is frothy right now, when you hear people who don't ask ever ask about the Stock Market "how can I get in" it's time to sell most of your assets and sit back for some time. The brother I mentioned said "lots of JWs are calling him about putting their money in Mutual Funds but don't have enough to meet the "initial investment" $2500 for lots of his Funds. They can't afford the "Asset Builder" of $100 a month and expect him to work magic with $500, best advice is for them is, I don't know? What do you tell JWs who can't afford to set aside $100 a month because they are living pay-check to pay-check? One JW who got took for cash got in a really bad car wreck, his wife allowed him to invest $500,000 in great stocks like Enron, World Com and when she got her second dispursement she put them in stocks like Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae before the Second Great Meltdown.

JWs have no business playing with financial markets, they need to stick with all the spiritual treasure they have building up in the New System.

One of the Brothers on this site told everyone to sell their Gold back when Gold hit $1800 because it was pure froth, said to invest in the stock market while Doom and Gloomers said Buy Gold, guess they were wrong?

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News story re: Doris Nelson. How many involved are Witnesses?

by LogCon in

there are a number of defendants being sued by the trustee.

two are jw's from vancouver lower mainland.

this b--ch started the business in vancouver and then took it to washington.. here is the list of defendants.. lls america llc, debtor.

BucketShopBill

These interest rates seem outrageous but it's not uncommon among "Bridge Loans" to demand a high interest rate 15% for 90 days or less is common among firms like these. In China they have "Shadow Banks" that loan money at 33% for 6 months 66% per annual rate for business who really need the money, we use to call this "Loan Sharking" in the United States.

Bridge Loans are used when a bank is holding out on giving you the money and the owner of the asset wants cash now so you head down to a Bridge Loan agency. JWs should have known how evil that arrangement is, Islam teaches you are not allowed to demand interest from good muslims, there are mutual funds by Amana that seek to do business with firms that don't overcharge others to do business and their funds did pretty well.

A new company recently emerged that's kind of weird, read the information on this company that charges high rates. There was one of the huge ponzi schemes out of New York that was a Bridge Loan company that milked investors out of $250 Million while the CEO was gambling with the Futures Market and Stocks trying to make some money to create the illusion he was a Hedge Fund or Money Manager when basically he was just a crook who stole cash from retirees.

There's a former Witness who does a lot of financial planning for JWs and he can't believe you have JWs showing up at age 58 asking "What can you do to help me catch up, I have $8,000 and the Dow and Nasdaq are up and I don't think I will have enough money for retirement, what do you think?" How can you reason with JWs who have no pension, any retirement vechiles and teach "The End is Nigh" or "Who Me Worry With Retirement, There's Alway's Welfare or Medicaid!"

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=loan&ql=1