HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Brilliant, Focus.
Freedom77
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Women elders, what difference would they make?
by Freedom77 inokay, let's do a big what-if: suppose the gb for its own unfathomable reasons suddenly got new light (tm) and decided to start appointing women elders and ministerial servants.
they would, of course, refer to the examples of junia (apostle), and priscilla and phoebe (deaconesses in wordlyspeak) in the greek scriptures; never mind what mental somersaults it would take to get them there.
stranger things have happened in wt history.. that being the case, would having women in positions of real authority make any significant difference in the congos or in the borg as a whole, and why or why not?.
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Women elders, what difference would they make?
by Freedom77 inokay, let's do a big what-if: suppose the gb for its own unfathomable reasons suddenly got new light (tm) and decided to start appointing women elders and ministerial servants.
they would, of course, refer to the examples of junia (apostle), and priscilla and phoebe (deaconesses in wordlyspeak) in the greek scriptures; never mind what mental somersaults it would take to get them there.
stranger things have happened in wt history.. that being the case, would having women in positions of real authority make any significant difference in the congos or in the borg as a whole, and why or why not?.
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Freedom77
I beg to differ. The WTBTS and the GB have shown themselves perfectly willing to make abrupt, startling about-face maneuvers when it suited their strategy of theocratic warfare or *cough* financial interests.
Heavenly hope ---> earthly hope
No vaccinations ---> not an issue
No organ transplants ---> "conscience issue"
No oral sex ---> back and forth and back and forth
No political involvements ---> Mexico, United Nations
"Millions Now Living Will Never Die" ---> "this generation" ---> "two generations"
Need I even mention 1914, 1925, 1942, 1975, 1984, 1994, 2000???
And we could go on and on. It could happen.
But whether it will or not is beside the point - this is a what-if.
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Women elders, what difference would they make?
by Freedom77 inokay, let's do a big what-if: suppose the gb for its own unfathomable reasons suddenly got new light (tm) and decided to start appointing women elders and ministerial servants.
they would, of course, refer to the examples of junia (apostle), and priscilla and phoebe (deaconesses in wordlyspeak) in the greek scriptures; never mind what mental somersaults it would take to get them there.
stranger things have happened in wt history.. that being the case, would having women in positions of real authority make any significant difference in the congos or in the borg as a whole, and why or why not?.
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Okay, let's do a big what-if: Suppose the GB for its own unfathomable reasons suddenly got New Light (TM) and decided to start appointing women elders and ministerial servants. They would, of course, refer to the examples of Junia (apostle), and Priscilla and Phoebe (deaconesses in wordlyspeak) in the Greek Scriptures; never mind what mental somersaults it would take to get them there. Stranger things have happened in WT history.
That being the case, would having women in positions of real authority make any significant difference in the congos or in the borg as a whole, and why or why not?
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Update on Fading Question
by wallievase inthe other day i posted my delimma about dealing with family and leaving.. update: my wife came home from the hall sunday (i have now missed about 3 weeks in a row) and the elders now want to schedule a sheperding call.. should i just blow them off, or when they come over (because im sure my wife will have them over even if i decline) just tell them i cant do it right now?.
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Freedom77
Wallievase, do you want to go back into the Organization and return to good standing as a faithful JW? Talk to the elders.
Or, do you want to be DF'd or DA'd and then shunned by everyone you know, starting with your wife? Talk to the elders.
Or, do you want to be your own man, be true to yourself, and live the life YOU want to lead? Don't say a single word to the elders.
Not in person, not on the phone, not in writing. Nothing, nada, zip.
The choice is yours to make. You owe them nothing. They do not own you.
"Do not fear him." Deut. 18:22
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AN ALTERNATIVE CONVERSATION WITH A NEIGHBOR - Watchtower, October 2014
by AnnOMaly inthe contrived and unrealistic conversation that one of jehovahs witnesses imagined having with a neighbor in the october 2014 watchtower will not be reproduced here.
instead let us imagine another conversation another witness named andre (ahem, sorry) cameron has at the home of another man who is also named jon.keep searching for a suckercameron: jon, ive really enjoyed the regular discussions weve been having about the bible.
* the last time we spoke, you raised a question about gods kingdom.
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Freedom77
Ding, PERFECT! Now we really know where JW math comes from!!! Hahahahaha.
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AN ALTERNATIVE CONVERSATION WITH A NEIGHBOR - Watchtower, October 2014
by AnnOMaly inthe contrived and unrealistic conversation that one of jehovahs witnesses imagined having with a neighbor in the october 2014 watchtower will not be reproduced here.
instead let us imagine another conversation another witness named andre (ahem, sorry) cameron has at the home of another man who is also named jon.keep searching for a suckercameron: jon, ive really enjoyed the regular discussions weve been having about the bible.
* the last time we spoke, you raised a question about gods kingdom.
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Freedom77
Ann, thanks for the clarification, I'm relieved to hear that this important information sooooo essential to Jehovah's eternal purposes was not neglected!
Ya think maybe next time they meet (if ever . . .), Cameron will explain about the 137.9 miles from Scranton to Brooklyn? I'm sure that divinely appointed measurement must tie in with the pyramid and tree somehow! (Wink)
http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/gods-channel-of-communication.html
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Michael Sam Story on the ESPY'S. He was raised a JW.
by integ inmichael sam...the football player who came out as gay, received an award on the espy's sports award show last night.
they had a video presentation documenting his struggles and it was brought out in the video piece that as a jehovah's witness, he was prohibited from playing in organized team sports...but that he went and defiantly played anyway.
so, sam not only had to overcome the gay issue but also that of being a witness.
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Freedom77
When Michael Sam first came to public attention, I noted that his mom was a JW and raised him in the borg. I thought it was so ironic and so damn sad that this kid from a broken home with messed-up brothers, I think one in prison, one dead, and one just "disappeared," found his strength and salvation NOT in "Jehovah's loving spirit-directed organization" but in playing ball at school - which as you all know in JW eyes is bad association at best and doing Satan's bidding at worst.
I'm too long gone from the borg to think of the specious Bible quotes against school sports, but some of you no doubt know what they are. Hell, in my time, early 1970s, I had to attend entire-school pep rallies in the gym on Fridays before football games, but was told by the oh-so-spiritual-minded Elders in my congo I had to sit there like a stone and not clap, cheer, stand up, shout, sing, or twitch the slightest muscle that could be construed as "supporting" all that devilish worldly stuff. Just as if a pep rally was equivalent to saluting the flag or whatever. I was totally not into playing sports, so that was never an issue - but I was told that I couldn't even join the Latin Club! What a wicked, nasty thing to do that would have been, oh my yes!
And STILL Michael's mom thinks he should have stayed home and never played ball and been a good little jaydub, bored to freakin' tears 24/7 and nothing truly constructive to do with his time and talents. And would have turned out like his brothers, no doubt. Oh but I'm sure she is all upset and grieving and soooo worried about his "spiritual condition"! And totally blind to the fact this this one kid may well be her finest achievement in this life - no thanks at all to the Watchtower cult!
I already admired Michael for coming out, but when I learned of his JW background, I was even more amazed and admiring. I wish him all the best.
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Freedom77
The truth is rarely pure and never simple. -- Oscar Wilde, The Importance of Being Earnest
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Freedom77
WTF is it with India?? All the Indians I've ever known here in the US (not many, admittedly) have been quiet, polite, peaceable folks. I don't get the cultural milieu that apparently is stimulating or encouraging this epidemic of rape we keep hearing about over there.
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586/587 the K.I.S.S. approach --- no VAT4956, Ptolemy, Josephus needed
by Alleymom innabonidus -- 17 years.
nebuchadnezzar -- 43 years.
nabonidus -- 17 years
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Freedom77
Island Woman: Religion is not based on fact but on emotion.
And cults are based on lies and fear and blind obedience.