Posts by Greener

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The Watchtower Society is confused over its “Seventy Years” and "Seven Times"

by Doug Mason in

until now, the watch tower society [wts] has argued that the 70 years was a period during which judah was totally and completely depopulated.

for this reason, it constantly argued that the period commenced when the jews left judah and entered egypt.

jerusalem was destroyed in the fifth month (two months before october/tishri).

Greener

Interesting take on the JW month calculation being wrong for the beginning of the 70 years. There are broader issues here with the 7 times and when they began that they've gotten horribly wrong, that have greater implications for the basis and foundations of everything they believe.

What about the year? There is no archeological evidence for the 607 BCE date. 586/587 is the correct year. This has been debated on this site over and over again. But you have done research on this as well haven't you? What about the entire 2520 year reach that the Society has made? The 1914 date was originally contrived by Russell with measurements of the Great Pyramid in Giza Egypt. Once the Pyramid was discredited etc, the WTS had to find something in the Bible to fit their 1914 date. The classic making the Bible fit into their flawed belief here, rather than letting the scriptures explain themselves. Isn't that what they have been saying lately regarding the whole types and anti-type beliefs?

So its almost like a can't see the forest for the trees scenario here. I'm curious about what you actually believe about all of this, other than the month for the start of the 70 years. What about the date and the entire Society interpretation of this.

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MAJOR DOCTRINE CHANGE IN 1/15/2014 WT ON GENERATION TEACHING

by EndofMysteries in

the generation scripture no longer is speaking about 'the end'.

i'll quote it...... side note: tons of lies in this article, i'll point out at the end of the post.

"yet, jesus words at matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of "this generation will by no means pass away" before seeing the start of the great tribulation.".

Greener

OK Splash thanks, they're really stretching things out.

I understand what you're saying. I made the mistake of trying to apply logic to this new light... For me then, whether you were 80 yrs old or 20 yrs old in 1914 or whenever, that's in reality 3 generations of people. I had an 80 yr old grandfather when I was 20 yrs old.

I can see why the majority of Jdubs today can't explain this or understand it, let alone provide any scriptural backing for this.

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MAJOR DOCTRINE CHANGE IN 1/15/2014 WT ON GENERATION TEACHING

by EndofMysteries in

the generation scripture no longer is speaking about 'the end'.

i'll quote it...... side note: tons of lies in this article, i'll point out at the end of the post.

"yet, jesus words at matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of "this generation will by no means pass away" before seeing the start of the great tribulation.".

Greener

Why would the first generation of anointed ones start with those 18 yrs of age in 1914? There were earlier/older faithful anointed ones in 1914.

Shouldn't this first group begin then with earlier generations of anointed ones from for instance, Rutherfords generation and those prior to his? If one was a faithful anointed one, 75 years old in 1914, born in 1839, that would mean that we would presently be in the 3rd or 4th groups of overlappers, not the 2nd or 3rd. This interpretation as to the beginning of starting group of anointed who saw 1914, would blow up the present day JW explanation.

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

Greener

LoveUniHateExams

You went to the trouble of going through my posting history, but apparently haven't actually read any/some of my posts in this topic. If you had, you would know what my issues are with this and in my case, it has nothing to do with being IDed by anyone

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

Greener

Simon you don't have to beg to be ignorant and make stupid remarks as you did your last post. Please go back to the padded room. Don't forget the meddys

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

Greener

Witness my Fury

What you wrote about the farm makes my point.

I CHOSE to give out that information on this forum. But I have not CHOSEN or CONSENTED to have displayed my country of origin. Its that principle of CHOICE that I'm driving at here, and that the moderator is choosing to change the rules as he goes along. He has the CHOICE to have this information displayed or not, or make it optional.

Is it so off the wall to have a reasonable expectation of privacy here, as reasonable as that can be on a forum such as this, if we choose to? When a layer of that privacy/anonymity is removed arbitrarily, it deserves push back. Especially so with the manner that this is being crammed down our throats.

When I signed up to this site not that long ago, there was no hinting at displaying flags etc. The moderator knew the new site would have this option months in advance of the actual switchover. It rings of dishonesty. His attitude the same. Some on here are also clearly very uncomfortable with the flags, and our claims are simply dismissed as paranoia etc. His claims of programming difficulties with making it optional have been debunked, by other posts. Eden makes a great point regarding flags and country of origin.

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

Greener

You have no right to display any information about me without my consent. I have not given you such consent. If you choose to change the rules, please remove me and all my posts, which are few in number from this website.

You are an unethical mess. Get some professional help EH

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

Greener

You have no right to display anything about me, however you want to characterize this information and the minutia of it, without my consent. I have not given it to you. That is the issue, that you do not wish to address. Consent, and lack thereof here. You apparently will do whatever you want to do, regardless of the many legitimate concerns that have been raised by many. Oh you're just paranoid and I'd be pandering to you. No...its called doing the right thing.

Your so called arguments are meaningless to me. You drip with dishonesty. You have no morals or ethics then. Good for you, well done.

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

Greener

"Can you, for instance, come up with a realistic example where someone has revealed enough information about themselves to identify who they are which cannot be done without the country?"

If someone CHOOSES to reveal enough information, then that is THEIR CHOICE. That is the PRINCIPLE here. You have no right to display the flag and reveal anything that I haven't given you permission to display here. Period.

"There are reasons not to make it a choice. I am loathe to overcomplicate the software just to possibly pander to the paranoia or game playing of a handful of people or implement features that are unique to a particular community (whose concerns I believe are misplaced)."

These are your own judgements on the arguments against. You are wrong, so we disagree. I am not paranoid.

So the choice can be written into the software, you are just choosing not to do it. Give it up then and let someone else do it then. Or.. just leave it as it is until you can have the choice written into the software. I don't see your argument for showing the flag as coherent, reasoned or fair and ethical. Where are your ethics? Where are your ethics? You are not showing any with your attitude about this. As was written before, this is a classic bait and switch. Dishonest lame nonsense.

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

Greener

Many here are frustrated as this guy doesn't appear to be really listening or taking into account any of the very reasoned and well thought out arguments against the flags. He just repeats that HE is not convinced.

The bottom line for me is this. He never received my permission to display my country flag. So on principle, he shouldn't do it. Make the display a choice. Hello?