i forgot about thus until yesterday.. at the coming dc/ic this summer, pioneers are not allowed to get hard copies of new publacations!
elder & ms, and anyone else that wants one, can!.
stupid!.
If this were true a letter would have leaked about it by now (all other letters do).
So they are denying the 70 year old pioneer sister who (cant afford a tablet) has been in the service since she was 16 accesses to a hard copy. I think not.
I have heard a lot of craziness said from the platform does not mean it is doctrine.
for your information: .
appeal democrat - yuba city, california .
http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/guilty-verdict-in-man-s-gay-sex-with-teen/article_81fab302-a394-11e4-8efb-f70ca786d50e.html.
well if you check the new pay attention at the meeting video their hall is one of the 1st.
flat roof, lots of glass and a jw.org logo.
lucky them
these men are appointed by holy spirit,.
here is the source: http://www.economiadigital.es/es/notices/2015/01/la-fiscalia-imputa-una-estafa-de-mas-de-170-millones-de-euros-a-una-congregacion-de-testigos-de-jeho-65161.php.
basically, if you don't know spanish, it boils down to this: (my personal editorial of what i've read).
being that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.
nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.
yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.
whatever the outcome of the appeal, i fear that most of us are going to be very disappointed.. a) obviously if the org wins.. b) if the org loses, they will put their plan 'b' into action - damage limitation - which will iinvolve confidentiality agreements being signed by pending/future victims, thereby settling the majority of cases out of court, and winning in several ways;.
there are probably other benefits, but these are the principal ones, and for these reasons i reckon the floodgates will never be allowed to be opened!!!
they've seen how other establishments have responded to their pedophile cases, and have picked up some good tips on how to minimise the effects.
I think this case and many others of late are total successes. Countries legal systems are showing less and less toleration to so-called rights of religions.
Examples
Letters, Elders book etc - Before the fact that these were confidential would have stood up in court. Now they are being forced to be made public and put on record.
Confessions of paedophiles - elders being forced to testify where before they could hide behind the confession privileged.
Little by the little the courts are saying that you will be held accountable for your actions the great defence of confidentiality is slowly evaporating.
The Conti case in particular I feel is the key that opened Pandora's box. I think it helped bring to light the Gonzalo Campos suits those have a lot more damming evidence.
im not an attorney and i could not record the hearing, so please forgive me if i make mistakes in relating what i remember of the oral argument hearing for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society on january 14, 2015 and the length of this post.. i arrived at the civic center/union plaza in san francisco, ca about 7:30. the area is very nice with a few homeless people sleeping in the park across from the courthouse.
it took me about 10 minutes to find the clerks office for the court on the first floor, which opened at 8:00.. once the clerks office opened, the two clerks who i talked with were very polite and helpful.
the arguments for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society were scheduled 5th out of (i think) 8. while i was in the office a cameraman and another person for nbc arrived asking about the hearing for candace contis case.. the courtroom for the 1st appellate court is on the 4th floor and takes up most of that floor.
I don't want to contradict Robert's detailed report since I wasn't there, but I have read the briefs (and am an attorney), and the only special relationship issue raised in the briefs was whether WTS and/or the congregation had a special relationship with Candace Conti (and to a lesser degree Kendrick), and not with each other.
Ok that makes more sense to me, although anyone who has had dealings knows the Org certainly considers itself to have a special relationship with any publisher of the good news. But I guess proving it with tangible evidence is a lot harder.
im not an attorney and i could not record the hearing, so please forgive me if i make mistakes in relating what i remember of the oral argument hearing for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society on january 14, 2015 and the length of this post.. i arrived at the civic center/union plaza in san francisco, ca about 7:30. the area is very nice with a few homeless people sleeping in the park across from the courthouse.
it took me about 10 minutes to find the clerks office for the court on the first floor, which opened at 8:00.. once the clerks office opened, the two clerks who i talked with were very polite and helpful.
the arguments for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society were scheduled 5th out of (i think) 8. while i was in the office a cameraman and another person for nbc arrived asking about the hearing for candace contis case.. the courtroom for the 1st appellate court is on the 4th floor and takes up most of that floor.
- The Watchtower does not have a “special relationship” with the local congregation and is not responsible for how the elders conducted themselves.
Funny this is a far cry from their position in the Menlo park case where their attorneys said
And I say "organization." I am general counsel for the National Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses out of Brooklyn, New York. Ordinarily, I wouldn't be here, but this is one of our 13,000 congregations in the United States. We are a hierarchal religion structured just like the Catholic Church. And when the order from the Pope comes down in the church defrocking a priest and kicking him out, he no longer has any say in any matter in the local parish priest -- in the parish.
with hopefully a good deal of interest here in the conti appeal tomorrow (or later today, depending on where you are), i thought that on my ride home from work tonight i'd preview what to expect and what i think the key issues are for any who are interested.
i have had a busy few weeks and haven't had time to read everything, but i had some time to look at the appeal briefs during my work commute the past couple days.
it'll be interesting to see what develops out of the network news coverage of this case.
with hopefully a good deal of interest here in the conti appeal tomorrow (or later today, depending on where you are), i thought that on my ride home from work tonight i'd preview what to expect and what i think the key issues are for any who are interested.
i have had a busy few weeks and haven't had time to read everything, but i had some time to look at the appeal briefs during my work commute the past couple days.
it'll be interesting to see what develops out of the network news coverage of this case.
